Detax Canada

[JLord]

I thought this thread had died out, so I haven't checked it for a while. It seems to be back from the dead.

However, Government would have us think, and unfortunately, have been quite successful in convincing the vast number of the population, that they are part of a combined fictional entity where the Crown or State owned legal name is the principal property, and the adult man who ignorantly identifies him or her self as being one and the same as that legal name, and thus compose the 'person' entity upon which they then impose their statutes and the harvesting of the fruits of their labour because of their slave status..

It isn't a matter of convincing anyone of anything. The government doesn't care if you are convinced that you are a person or not. The courts have upheld the fact that "person" has includes "free will man" or "sovereign man" or "human being" or whatever else people like to call themselves. A law applying to a person applies to a human being regardless of what they call themselves or whether the government can convince them of anything.

I could just claim you owe me $1,000 and force you to disprove it. And then claim that a lack of evidence (e.g. you not being able to find anything written down anywhere saying you don't owe me $1,000) is proof you do, and demand you pay up.

This seems like a pretty good argument right?

 

[carlitos]

Which law dictionary is that?

From teh googlenet, I see this. Oh, and never mind about part 2 of the same definition.

MAN. A human being. This definition includes not only the adult male sex of the human species, but women and children; examples: "of offences against man, some are more immediately against the king, other's more immediately against the subject." Hawk. P. C. book 1, c. 2, s. 1. Offences against the life of man come under the general name of homicide, which in our law signifies the killing of a man by a man." Id. book 1, c. 8, s. 2.

2. In a more confined sense, man means a person of the male sex; and sometimes it signifies a male of the human species above the age of puberty. Vide Rape. It was considered in the civil or Roman law, that although man and person are synonymous in grammar, they had a different acceptation in law; all persons were men, but all men, for example, slaves, were not persons, but things. Vide Barr. on the Stat. 216, note.

A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.

 

[Abe_the_Man]

50,000,000 Europeans murdered by the Inquisition seems to represent a bit more than a claim.

Don't know if anyone bothered to do this (at work). The inquisition occurred between 1200ce and 1400ce. The estimated world population for 1400ce according to wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population_estimates is between 350 and 375 million. That would mean inquisition killed about 1/7th of the entire world population right? The OP did also say 50 million was conservative.

 

[carlitos]

Holy carp. 50 million? Maybe he mis-typed 50 thousand?

 

[catsmate]

Well I go off and talk dirigibles for a few days and our chew-toy is back.

Hey, we have to earn our Red Robes somehow. The Priesthood of Isis doesn't just hand those things out, you know!

It took me three hard years to earn my red robe.

That's good, because you can't back up anything you say or write to anyone, shill or not.

"Detailed facts" like "Canada is a different country than the United States"?

Don't try and confuse Eldon with mere facts.

So - curious here Eldon, are you in any way involved with Christian Identity? Cause Gauvreau seems to be:

This Albertan and his links to White Power here in Canada were found in about 2 mins after searching for his name and "Christian Identity".

- White Power Website Specifically Lists His Name as a "White Racialist" (be warned link takes you to stormfront boards)

A Canadian White Power website, Murray Gauvreau is specifically listed as a "White Racialist" (aka, White Power Activist) defended in court by a lawyer the poster selected for a "Notable Canadians" nod in a thread there to celebrate the best White Power activists, or "Notable Canadians". Apparently that lawyer represented Gauvreau and many more to earn such high praise.

Here is one of a few sources where people mention Gauvreau handing out Christian Identity literature.

Eldon is a different anti-Semite. He's rather fond of calling people who contradict him a "stinking Traitor Zionist Jew Bastard". Just read what the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal has to say about him.
Nor did his drivel do his much good when he was tried for assault and then lost his appeal.

Whups. Missed this gem the first time around.

So the 'Red Robed Priests of Isis' ruled Egypt starting in 11,500BCE?

That's really interesting, considering that we have no evidence whatsoever of any long-term human habitation earlier than 8,000 BCE. The earliest Egyptian agricultural settlements known date from only about 5200 BCE. Before that, we have evidence of neolithic hunter-gatherers dating back another three thousand years or so, which still leaves your Priests of Fashion hanging for more than 3,000 years.

Of course, since Isis herself only dates back (as far as we can tell) to the Fifth Dynasty (2494 to 2345 BC), a rational human being would conclude that the Neolithic tribes were not ruled by priests of a goddess who wouldn't be invented for five thousand years.

But I'm sure you'd not going to let multi-thousand-year anachronisms stop you. After all, the idea that a group of priests would worship a goddess who wouldn't be invented for five thousand years is, by your standards, rather credible.

At least in comparison to the rest of your "ideas."

Again with the facts, don't you know Eldon is always right. Even when he contradicts himself.

He did not use my DetaxCanada method of filing. Yes, my method is always '$0.00 tax owing', but, there is much more to the method than that entry on the T1 form. And, no one has ever been taken to court for using my method, so there must be something much different in my method than that used by the Doctor.

Strange how you've never had the courage to take your "method" to court yourself, always leaving it to others to try your tax evasion nonsense.

Yes, he was called on that ridiculous claim a while back. He's suspended now, and will be on probation when he returns. I'll wager he won't last a week before he breaches his suspension and is banned.

Yep.

 

[carlitos]

minor quibble

Eldon is a different anti-Semite. He's rather fond of calling people who contradict him a "stinking Traitor Zionist Jew Bastard". Just read what the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal has to say about him.

While I find Eldon's ideas offensive, there is no reason that, in a Western democracy in 2010, we should be prosecuting thought crime. Richard Warman did essentially the same thing as Eldon Warman did, when entrapping online "criminals" for the CHRT. The trial took place in a kind of Star Chamber, as Mark Steyn put it. I hope that Canada takes steps to rectify their law so that future real world and online "criminals" are not abused merely for spouting their beliefs.

If EldonG could abide by the membership agreement here, that would be progress, too.

 

[D'rok]

While I find Eldon's ideas offensive, there is no reason that, in a Western democracy in 2010, we should be prosecuting thought crime.

We don't. That's Alex Jones style FUD. There is, however, room for debate on what actually happens.

If EldonG could abide by the membership agreement here, that would be progress, too.

Not bloody likely.

 

[carlitos]

I don't know what FUD is, but I suspect it's not a compliment to my analytical skills. Look, I followed the Steyn and Ezra Klein cases very closely. If these types of prosecutions were leveled against people without resources, for instance a non-tax-filing retiree named Eldon, there is no way for them to fairly defend themselves.

I could list numerous posts of Richard Warman that were just as offensive as what the other Warman posted. The difference being that he was working at the government's behest, therefore not prosecuted by the CHRT. That's thought crime to me.

ETA - we are probably off topic. Was / is there a thread here to discuss this?

 

[D'rok]

I don't know what FUD is, but I suspect it's not a compliment to my analytical skills. Look, I followed the Steyn and Ezra Klein cases very closely. If these types of prosecutions were leveled against people without resources, for instance a non-tax-filing retiree named Eldon, there is no way for them to fairly defend themselves.

I could list numerous posts of Richard Warman that were just as offensive as what the other Warman posted. The difference being that he was working at the government's behest, therefore not prosecuted by the CHRT. That's thought crime to me.

ETA - we are probably off topic. Was / is there a thread here to discuss this?

FUD = Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.

There were no prosecutions. There were administrative investigations that concluded there were no basis to the complaints. The CHRT is statutorily bound to investigate, or at least evaluate, when someone complains. You have bought the FUD, sold, ironically by Klein and Steyn to further their own particular crusades.

Yeah, it's off-topic and there's probably a thread somewhere.

 

[carlitos]

Sorry, I should have said administrative investigations, not prosecutions. You are right; someone like Jones would say "prosecutions" to refer to this stuff. My mistake, and I did it more than once in my posts. I did know that they were administrative, but it's been a few years.

 

[LightinDarkness]

Eldon is a different anti-Semite. He's rather fond of calling people who contradict him a "stinking Traitor Zionist Jew Bastard". Just read what the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal has to say about him.
Nor did his drivel do his much good when he was tried for assault and then lost his appeal.

You won the thread by providing those links. There is really nothing more to be said about EldonG: hes a kook who keeps preaching woo while ignoring that the woo has failed in the above 3 cases. Of course, I'm sure it was just a massive conspiracy against him....and not that he has no idea of how the law works...

 

[carlitos]

The assault charge in particular shows how dangerous these beliefs can be for society as a whole. If, in the back of your mind, the "peace officer" is some manifestation of a dark conspiracy from the Red Robes of Isis, you are already more likely to do something irrational.

 

[tsig]

While I find Eldon's ideas offensive, there is no reason that, in a Western democracy in 2010, we should be prosecuting thought crime. Richard Warman did essentially the same thing as Eldon Warman did, when entrapping online "criminals" for the CHRT. The trial took place in a kind of Star Chamber, as Mark Steyn put it. I hope that Canada takes steps to rectify their law so that future real world and online "criminals" are not abused merely for spouting their beliefs.

If EldonG could abide by the membership agreement here, that would be progress, too.

He contracted with the MA so according to his own logic he should follow it.

 

[D'rok]

Sorry, I should have said administrative investigations, not prosecutions. You are right; someone like Jones would say "prosecutions" to refer to this stuff. My mistake, and I did it more than once in my posts. I did know that they were administrative, but it's been a few years.

No worries. Personally, I'm not a fan of the human rights tribunal system, but debate on the subject always seems to get poisoned right from the start.

 

[LightinDarkness]

The assault charge in particular shows how dangerous these beliefs can be for society as a whole. If, in the back of your mind, the "peace officer" is some manifestation of a dark conspiracy from the Red Robes of Isis, you are already more likely to do something irrational.

I love how the opinion opens too..

[1] The defendant in this criminal assault trial, Eldon Gerald Warman, is in the unhappy position of being tried in a forum whose jurisdiction he does not recognize, in a court which he asserts is a creature of a usurper or hoax government.

[2] Before going any further beyond that observation I pause to observe that through the course of this proceeding I have gained some considerable respect for Mr. Warman, for having the courage of his convictions, and most especially for the courtesy he has shown to a court whose authority he does not acknowledge.

[3] It has occurred to me that were I in the position of being tried in a court whose authority I did not acknowledge, it would be a very difficult experience. Imagining that experience for Mr. Warman, it is significant that he has acted with such courtesy throughout.

I swear, Canadian judges seem just so polite in the best way possible. They just sit there and flatter the guy for not going crazy on them while still acknowledging that hes pushing fact-less woo.

[8] One might ask why I mention all of this when Mr. Warman is before me charged with a relatively minor criminal offence. I do so because the very expression of that viewpoint is an exercise of what I understand to be the right of every citizen of Canada and indeed every resident of Canada.

[9] It is clear to me, however, that Mr. Warman's perspective on the Constitution is profoundly inconsistent with the prevailing view of Canadian society, and just as inconsistent with my understanding of the Canadian Constitution and the laws enacted thereunder by which I am bound. But it is important and significant that he and indeed any other person brought before these courts have the right to articulate their views.

It makes me just want to go hug this guy.

[13] As I reflected on Mr. Warman's submissions my mind travelled to the fact that on April 15th, next month, it is going to be my great honour to preside at the swearing of a number of new Canadian citizens. Will they become members of a club? Perhaps so, but in my respectful view how fortunate they will be.

[14] How fortunate are all of us that have been born into that club, if such it be, because it is my view, and in this regard I understand myself to articulate the perspective of the Canadian courts, that citizens of Canada enjoy assurances of fundamental rights and freedoms, in part but not entirely as enunciated in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

[15] Those rights and freedoms are largely parallel to the inalienable rights granted under Magna Carta. Because of the relatively peaceful nature of our society, many Canadians have little awareness of the existence of the Constitution, let alone knowledge of its terms. But it is a measure of that Constitution, I suggest, and its preservation and enforcement through the rule of law, that permits that state of innocent disregard.

[16] If we lived in a police state, if we had no courts through which to assert our rights, if the elections of which Mr. Warman is so dismissive suddenly were to vanish, the reality of our present state would be impressed upon each one of us much more clearly.

[17] Am I so naïve as to suggest there is no inappropriate conduct by police in this country? Of course not. Do I suggest judges never make mistakes? No, of course not. Do I suggest all political action operates from the purest of motives? No. But do we enjoy freedoms and liberties? Yes, in my respectful view we do, and we do so through the assurances of the Constitution.

Eldon is SO lucky he got this guy...I can only imagine what would have happened if he pulled this woo stunt on someone with a more jaded view of the world...

Then Eldon literally punches a police officer after his tour bus was pulled over because the guy didn't buy the whole "this is a private conveyance" FMOTL woo they use to avoid paying taxes on their vehicles. After the officer recovered and began writing a ticket:

[36] Mr. Warman confirmed Mr. Harris was going to write a ticket even after Mr. Warman had stressed this was a private, not a public, transportation coach. He expressed the opinion that issuing tickets at the side of the road is to conduct a roving court not permitted by Section 17 of Magna Carta. He expressed the opinion that a peace officer is someone who keeps the peace, not a warden. He likened his own righteous indignation to that of Jesus confronting the money changers in the temple.

For such a ego, Eldon sure does appear to be losing every single battle...

 

[tsig]

You won the thread by providing those links. There is really nothing more to be said about EldonG: hes a kook who keeps preaching woo while ignoring that the woo has failed in the above 3 cases. Of course, I'm sure it was just a massive conspiracy against him....and not that he has no idea of how the law works...

It is a massive conspiracy against him unfortunately his mind is in on it.

 

[tsig]

I love how the opinion opens too..



I swear, Canadian judges seem just so polite in the best way possible. They just sit there and flatter the guy for not going crazy on them while still acknowledging that hes pushing fact-less woo.



It makes me just want to go hug this guy.



Eldon is SO lucky he got this guy...I can only imagine what would have happened if he pulled this woo stunt on someone with a more jaded view of the world...

Then Eldon literally punches a police officer after his tour bus was pulled over because the guy didn't buy the whole "this is a private conveyance" FMOTL woo they use to avoid paying taxes on their vehicles. After the officer recovered and began writing a ticket:


For such a ego, Eldon sure does appear to be losing every single battle...

All preachers want to be Jesus just without the Crucifixion.

 

[catsmate]

He contracted with the MA so according to his own logic he should follow it.

"Freeman" "logic" is a fluid concept.

You won the thread by providing those links.

Gee thanks

 

[Blue Mountain]

... I think I would put the over/under on two weeks, so we're largely in agreement.

In his first posting period (27 August-1 September), Eldon lasted 88 hours between his first post and his last before being suspended.

The second active period (5-11 September) as his best, going 149 hours—just over six days—before the admins intervened again.

The last time he was active (20-22 September), he managed only 34 hours between his initial and last posts before being suspended again, and eight of those posts ended up in AAH.

Unless he changes his ways, it seems likely the next time he returns he'll be suspended again or banned within three days.

 

[Mashuna]

You won the thread by providing those links. There is really nothing more to be said about EldonG: hes a kook who keeps preaching woo while ignoring that the woo has failed in the above 3 cases. Of course, I'm sure it was just a massive conspiracy against him....and not that he has no idea of how the law works...

Yes, I think my favourite sections were these, from the appeal hearing:

[13] The submissions of the appellant on the issue of jurisdiction are, as I see them, a complete denial of the constitutional history of this country as it applies to the rights and obligations of its people before the law.

[14] The submissions of the appellant must be and are rejected as being without any legal, historical or constitutional foundation whatsoever.