Detax Canada

[uke2se]

Why are you still coming up with this crap that taxes fund anything the Government does, especially, the Federal Government?

Uhm... because that's how it works in the real world? Seriously, were do you think the money used for infrastructure, health care, benefits etc. come from?

Are you incapable of reading Beardsley Rum's speech that I show on my website in the first couple of pages on this thread?

I'm not incapable, just unwilling. If Mr Rum claims that taxes don't pay for the things I've listed, he's wrong.

And, what is your training?

Not that it is relevant, but my training is that of Ship Officer, which means, Captain of a sea going vessel. You would probably say I "govern" a ship.

Training for skilled occupations requires high and capable intelligence.

Nope. It doesn't require more than average intelligence.

What is your skilled occupation?

Already stated.

 

[uke2se]

I do. The 'ENTITY' is the legal name, ELDON WARMAN/Eldon Warman.
That is not me, so it is a third party. 'I am, I, or Me, is all I call or refer to myself, the un-namable free will man.

No, it's not a third party. It's your identity, meaning, you.

No, you are Wrong. That is done through the agent in commerce, Eldon Warman.

Which means, you.

And, if other than Creator Diety's law 'regulates' a man, then that man is a slave of the regulator.

Society's laws supersede laws penned by imaginary beings.

Creator Diety's Law = Do no harm.

There is no creator deity.

 

[EldonG]

There is a difference between "not filing a tax return" and "not paying taxes".

On behalf of other Canadians, thank you for paying your taxes.

What is that supposed to mean? I have no taxes/fruits of the labour as a slave to be harvested, since I am not a slave, as you obviously are.

Seems that you are defending the status of slavery that has been imposed upon you.

Are you suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome?

 

[uke2se]

What is that supposed to mean? I have no taxes/fruits of the labour as a slave to be harvested, since I am not a slave, as you obviously are.

Seems that you are defending the status of slavery that has been imposed upon you.

Are you suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome?

He just means that you are paying your taxes. It's good to know that you don't live like a free-loader just because you preach for free-loading.

 

[EldonG]

Refund on your income taxes. You know, those regular deductions from when you were a working man?

I salute you for letting the govt keep more of your money than is necessary.

Hasn't happened. Wonder why you cannot get it through your head that income tax is just the means to destroy fiat money so that new fiat money coming into existence by bank loans does not bloat the pig - cause inflation.

That would be fine if the people were given proper remuneration in goods or services for the plastic bags (fiat money) with their labour inside that are stolen from them to reduce the plastic bags filling the environment.

 

[EldonG]

He just means that you are paying your taxes. It's good to know that you don't live like a free-loader just because you preach for free-loading.

Why are you happy that someone else is a victim of having slavery imposed upon him and having the fruits of his labour harvested by a corporate body that claims ownership of him. Is that your idea of a desirable or ideal human life? If you insist that I pay taxes, think as you wish. So skin off my derriere.

 

[uke2se]

Borrowed from banks who create it out of nothing.

Wrong. Money borrowed from banks aren't created out of nothing, and tax money isn't borrowed from banks.

Well, if you are too stubborn to learn, and you think you are more intelligent and more informed than the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, then so be it.

I'm not too stubborn to learn. I'm just too smart not to fall for your BS. If the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said that tax money isn't used for the things I've listed, I can think of three possibilities:

1. Mr Rum has gone mad.
2. Mr Rum is lying.
3. You are lying about what Mr Rum said, alternatively quote mining him. This seems most likely.

ETA: I can't find the quote you are talking about on your webpage. Could you link directly to it so that I don't have to wade through pages and pages of loony bin crap?

12 foot or 14 foot? Row or kicker?

79 meters.

And, you are living proof of that? Whatever......

Are you saying that I'm stupid?

 

[uke2se]

Why are you happy that someone else is a victim of having slavery imposed upon him and having the fruits of his labour harvested by a corporate body that claims ownership of him. Is that your idea of a desirable or ideal human life? If you insist that I pay taxes, think as you wish. So skin off my derriere.

I'm happy that you're doing your part in society. You see it as slavery, I see it as helping out.

 

[tsig]

Long story short: Eldon pays his taxes.

Sounds like he retired:

the Airline recorded that they paid to me as pension

 

[tsig]

I do. The 'ENTITY' is the legal name, ELDON WARMAN/Eldon Warman.
That is not me, so it is a third party. 'I am, I, or Me, is all I call or refer to myself, the un-namable free will man.

No, you are Wrong. That is done through the agent in commerce, Eldon Warman. And, if other than Creator Diety's law 'regulates' a man, then that man is a slave of the regulator. Creator Diety's Law = Do no harm.

Which Eldon is posting here?

 

[D'rok]

Sounds like he retired:

the Airline recorded that they paid to me as pension

He was forcibly retired (i.e., fired), but he could still be collecting a pension. If so, he's probably paying tax on that income through automatic deductions...and then not collecting his refund because he doesn't file a tax return. Too funny.

 

[EldonG]

Parliament changed the law by making an amendment to the Bank of Canada Act stating:

25.(6) Notes of the Bank are neither promissory notes nor bills of exchange within the meaning of the Bills of Exchange Act.

You may be correct on this; however, the only version of the Bank of Canada Act published on the internet is the CANLII versions, Section 25 is in regard to shares of the Bank of Canada, and the Business Development Bank of Canada Act, Section 25 only has 3 subsections.

As you can see there is no reference to reference to a ship at sea or a make-believe vessel. There is no need to reference a ship's script situation because fiat currency was a well known concept when this law was changed. Again, the fact that we have a fiat currency and that a ship's script could also be considered like a form of fiat currency does not mean the two are one in the same. Nor does it imply that parliament considered Canadian currency to be a form of ship's script.

There are specific definitions of "ship's script" and "fiat currency" that will show you the difference. Ship's script only applies to the specific situation of being on a ship. It doesn't mean that any other type of fiat currency not relating to ships has to be described in the terms of ship's script.

A ship's script is a form of fiat currency, that doesn't mean fiat currency is a ship's script. It is similar in some ways and different some ways. Similarly schizophrenia is a form of mental illness, but that doesn't mean a mental illness is always schizophrenia. You wouldn't look at a person with depression and say "he's got some wierd form of make-believe schizophrenia." You would just call it by the more accurate description "depression." So when faced with Canada having a fiat currency I am at a loss why anyone would try to describe it as "Canada has some wierd form of ship's script as currency where the country is a make believe ship and the citizens are like slave crewmembers." Just describe what is happening by the correct and most accurate English words that have been widely used for decades to describe the situation and say "Canada uses a fiat currency."

I would suspect that, as a lawyer, you understand the difference between 'evidence' and 'proof positive'? Regarding incorporated bodies being 'make-beileve ships at sea' ,and 'fiat currency' being a form of 'ship script', what can be said is that 'evidence' shows that such is the case.

I suppose, when one is so brainwashed into the box of the world of fiction and make-believe, as lawyers obviously are, one cannot expect to see any conclusions of evidence that is outside that box. I, however, am not encumbered by being in a mental box, and I can conclude that 'if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it most likely is a duck'.

If a man can be incarcerated or otherwise punished for disobedience to other men's rules and demands for performance, that man is NOT of 'free will status'. Corporate bodies, being fictional, make no rules, only men's minds within those fictional bodies make rules and demands for performance.

There is only one other status an man can be, and that is 'slave status'. And, by 'slave status' I mean as a vessel under tow, and subject to the administration of captain of the towing vessel - not the narrow definition of a 'worker slave', although, the income tax creates that condition for Canadians.

 

[EldonG]

Wrong. Money borrowed from banks aren't created out of nothing, and tax money isn't borrowed from banks.

OK! from where does it come? Has you bank ever stated on your account reports that some or all of your money in your account has been loaned out?
Does all the money they loan out come from bank earnings from interest collected on other loans? Does the bank borrow money from the Bank of Canada? If so, where does the Bank of Canada get the money to loan to banks to lend out?

I'm not too stubborn to learn. I'm just too smart not to fall for your BS. If the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said that tax money isn't used for the things I've listed, I can think of three possibilities:

1. Mr Rum has gone mad.
2. Mr Rum is lying.
3. You are lying about what Mr Rum said, alternatively quote mining him. This seems most likely.

ETA: I can't find the quote you are talking about on your webpage. Could you link directly to it so that I don't have to wade through pages and pages of loony bin crap?

Go to the link to my website posted by OP on page 1. Use the GOOGLE website search feature, and search: "fairshare". the
link to Ruml's speech is on that webpage.

79 meters.

Is that the length of the barge?
barge (bärj) n. 1. a. A long, large, usually flatbottom boat for transporting freight that is generally unpowered and towed or pushed by other craft.

Are you saying that I'm stupid?

No. I didn't say that. Are you. perchance, looking into a mirror?

 

[D'rok]

You may be correct on this; however, the only version of the Bank of Canada Act published on the internet is the CANLII versions, Section 25 is in regard to shares of the Bank of Canada, and the Business Development Bank of Canada Act, Section 25 only has 3 subsections.

No need to rely on canlii.org.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/B-2/

Better yet, why not go straight to the source. All statutes are published in the Annual Statutes of Canada. You're in Calgary, correct? The law library at the U of C will have a complete collection:

http://library.ucalgary.ca/branches/law/about/contact

 

[uke2se]

OK! from where does it come? Has you bank ever stated on your account reports that some or all of your money in your account has been loaned out?
Does all the money they loan out come from bank earnings from interest collected on other loans? Does the bank borrow money from the Bank of Canada? If so, where does the Bank of Canada get the money to loan to banks to lend out?

Look, it's pretty simple really. Let's break it down. On the one hand we have the "treasury", the money available for the government in their budget. This "treasury" is filled in part by tax money, the rest by interests, revenue from state owned corporations etc.

On the other hand we have you, the tax payer. You pay taxes on your salary and on transactions and on property etc. This money goes into the "treasury".

Money from this "treasury" is used to pay for all the things in the government's budget, including military spending, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, retirement benefits and all other expenses.

The government also loans money from banks to achieve their goals in a budget. This money isn't just "created" by the bank. It is money from their account holders.

So to summarize, the money you pay in taxes is used to fund the government's budget, which includes all the things needed for society to function.

I ask you again, were do you think the money for the budget come from? Also, were do you think the money you pay in taxes go?

ETA: If you're really that ignorant of how money is "created", look at this.

i didn't say that. Are you. perchance, looking into a mirror?

Then what did you say? What did the person you talked about say? What did it have to do with my original statement?

 

[EldonG]

I'm happy that you're doing your part in society. You see it as slavery, I see it as helping out.

Yass Sah! Bossman! How are you helping out? Helping to prevent the Canadian Monopoly money from inflating by turning over the Canadian Monopoly money you foolishly accepted for your labour to be deleted from existence by CRA?

If we had real asset value money, like Canada had prior to 1932, there would be no inflation, and people who saved money for their retirement years would still have the money they exchanged for their labour for the years they cannot work. If there was a need for taxes, because there was not enough royalties collected for the natural resources harvested from the common property of the land called Canada, then, the Biblical 10% tithe would be adequate to do the job of financing needed services performed by a legitimate administrative committee (an unincorporated body - a Congress - a form of people's jury).

 

[EldonG]

No need to rely on canlii.org.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/B-2/

Better yet, why not go straight to the source. All statutes are published in the Annual Statutes of Canada. You're in Calgary, correct? The law library at the U of C will have a complete collection:

http://library.ucalgary.ca/branches/law/about/contact

Thank you.

 

[LightinDarkness]

Well, who is the one here in delusion? The one supporting the world of fictional ships at sea, where mankind is made slaves of those copporate fictional bodies? Or the one teaching that an adult man is a free will mind and Son of Creator Diety, and has the natural unalienable rights of life, liberty, property and due process of law? And, by due process - no 'mens rea' damage or harm to another man - no law broken.

Your entire worldview is based on a delusion that has no basis in reality. You believe in it because you want to believe, because to recognize that its all fantasy would mean that you have to be responsible for your own actions. There is no secret law declaring we are all fictional ships at sea, there is no plot to make anyone a slave (in the first world, at least). You cry about wanting to be free while being a hypocrite and living in a society where you leech from the rest of us by claiming to avoid your taxes.

That is a statement for which you have no proof. I am the only party who has taught the method I use. And, I have no idea who has used my method, no one has reported even being cited with any charge bringing them into the administrative court system. Yes, some have had money stolen from bank accounts that were not properly set up, but they are warned in my program info to take asset protection precautions from outright theft by CRA or the IRS. If they don't heed the warnings, it is not my fault.

Actually, as I've already quoted from the IRS, your "method" is simply tax evasion and is fraud. Lots of have tried it, all have failed.

I use the analogy of the flimsy plastic bags one finds on the rolls at the produce section of the supermarket, as being a representation of the Canadian or American fiat currency. It is not those bags which have any value. It is the produce you have selected and paid for (defrauded the store owner by paying them fiat currency) that is in those plastic bags that has value to you. When you accept the worthless currency as exchange for your labour, the currency you have in your pocket or bank account is filled with the fruits of your labour. Now suppose you clear the grocery store checkout and proceed to your car in the parking lot, and are intercepted by store security demanding those bags with the store name on them. They don't give a damn what you have in them, they just want 50% of the bags back, which they then throw in the garbage bin. That is the story of income tax, and what CRA does when collecting the worthless fiat money from a working man.

Its to bad that your analogy doesn't work: I've never spent so much time and devoted my life to believing in delusions in order to protect supermarket bags.

Is that supposed to scare me, or others reading this forum? Who do you think I sent the IRS 1040 to in the summer of 2003. And, it was the IRS who
sent me a 'bussiness expense statement' a month or so later to complete the return. They had full knowledge as to how much the gross amount was that the Airline recorded that they paid to me as pension. Also, they certainly communicated with CRA at that time. And, both recognized that no taxes were unpaid or evaded by myself.

Why would you be scared? You have no reason to be...unless your just another delusional tax fraud who knows your time is short. So, yet again: PM me your name and mailing address. I won't do a thing with it except report it to the IRS. If your system is so legitimate because you've uncovered a global conspiracy based on admiralty law and slavery, you have nothing to worry about it. If your simply a tax cheat, well thats another story. Are you scared?

How can it be 'tax evasion' (refusing to pay over the fruits of the labour of an owned slave to the slave owner, under the property right) when, income tax only applies to a fictional legal entity/name which does not have a live man (declared legally dead) attached to it as an accessory, making the live man also the property of the owner of the legal name - the corporate Crown of the City of London?

It would be tax evasion because your entire idea of what taxes are is based on mythology, and yet you continue to live in society and enjoy the benefits of those taxes (roads, health insurance if your in canada, fire service, etc.) all while not paying for it because your a freeloader.

Not a US citizen (citizen = slave) , but a green card immigrant to the USA.

Citizen has nothing to do with slave, but I'm glad your not a US citizen. At least we seem to have some standards. If thats the case, then you may indeed not have to pay the IRS under certain circumstances. But these have nothing to do with your conspiracy world view - its just its assumed your paying taxes to your sovereign government.

The legal name, ELDON WARMAN may be a slave of the Crown in right of Canada, but the free will adult man who uses the name as his agent in commerce under private necessity is certainly not a citizen -slave owned by the Crown.

There is no legal name ELDON WARMAN. ELDON WARMAN is you, the entire "legal name/strawman" theory is a mythology. The crown doesn't own any slaves except in your fantasy world.

Eldon Warman/ELDON WARMAN may have to pay taxes, if taxes are owed after deducting basic exemptions from income. However, since ELDON WARMAN is merely an agent, the only income an agent has is the fee for services. And, that fee is determined by private contract between the free will man and the Crown owned legal name. The Crown doesn't set the fee.
As a free will adult man, one is a mind existing within a human body/a vessel.
As an operating system in a computer, a human mind has no substance, nor other physical presence. It is an interaction process of electrons within the physical brain/computer. Thus, a mind cannot be identified by a name. A mind can only have sounds, words and terms that it recognizes through hearing, vision or other senses. That is called an appellation - commonly called term. The legal system of make-believe ships at sea/corporate bodies requires an identifying name.

Witness the complete insanity of FOTL here. I can't do anything but quote and laugh at the ignorance.

I will offer you the same challenge as I have many a debunked Freeman/sovereign freeloader that came before you and failed: All you have to do to prove your points is offer 1 single sustained (ie, not overturned on appeal) case from any level of court in any country that states a person can "decline" paying taxes due to their status as a sovereign citizen and that is their right. Just one. Until you do this, your entire posts are nothing but thousands of words based on unproven delusion.

 

[D'rok]

Thank you.

No prob. Law libraries are excellent resources. We tend to forget about this in the age of Google.

 

[EldonG]

Look, it's pretty simple really. Let's break it down. On the one hand we have the "treasury", the money available for the government in their budget. This "treasury" is filled in part by tax money, the rest by interests, revenue from state owned corporations etc.

On the other hand we have you, the tax payer. You pay taxes on your salary and on transactions and on property etc. This money goes into the "treasury".

Money from this "treasury" is used to pay for all the things in the government's budget, including military spending, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, retirement benefits and all other expenses.

The government also loans money from banks to achieve their goals in a budget. This money isn't just "created" by the bank. It is money from their account holders.

So to summarize, the money you pay in taxes is used to fund the government's budget, which includes all the things needed for society to function.

I ask you again, were do you think the money for the budget come from? Also, were do you think the money you pay in taxes go?

Then, what you are saying is that the corporation called Canada and its incorporate administrative body, called parliament, harvests the labour from owned slaves, called Canadians, and gives it to the banks to lend out at interest, and gives them the credits of the hypothicated slaves to create fiat money that is not a bill of exchange medium. Hmm..