Destroyed Atlantis = Menorah

[King of the Americas]

I assumed by this you meant page one of this thread. However, no such quote can be found there.
It is also clearly not the first page of the Bible.
To which 'page one' are you referring?

In my search, I found something else:



The link shows a site on the Moroccan coast, which would rather seem to undermine your argument that it shows Atlantis to be on the Spanish coast.

There is no mention in this link of a menorah. In fact, the link is rather dismissive of the possibility that the site could be Atlantis.



Here once again, is the Bible quote you keep mangling.


Unless you are going to try to claim that Atlantis was bult to look like almond blossoms, I think you should perhaps reconsider the validity of a connection between Atlantis and the menorah.

Sorry, maybe page 2, or 3...? Look until you find it, I always say.

Yes 'Moroccan,' my mistake.

What say you to the ruins I found!?

Your quote/version of says "design" on the mount...could you provide further evidence of this "design," a picture of a carving perhaps?

 

[Agatha]

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[Porpoise of Life]

Sorry, maybe page 2, or 3...? Look until you find it, I always say.

Yes 'Moroccan,' my mistake.

What say you to the ruins I found!?

Your quote/version of says "design" on the mount...could you provide further evidence of this "design," a picture of a carving perhaps?

Even when presented with the actual quote, you misrepresent it. Why? Everyone can read what it says.

It doesn't claim that there was a pattern carved into the side of a mountain.
It says that, after having climbed a mountain, Moses was verbally instructed on how to design the menorah.
There is no way to tie this to that Spanish carving without misrepresenting the quote.

Also, what link do you suggest between mount Sinai and southern Spain? They are some 5000 kilometers apart.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Mr Yak, your response was far too diligent, considering the quality of the post you were responding to. In future, please keep the quality to a level commensurate with the effort that the claimant puts in....

You called it.

Sorry, maybe page 2, or 3...? Look until you find it, I always say.

Yes 'Moroccan,' my mistake.

What say you to the ruins I found!?

Your quote/version of says "design" on the mount...could you provide further evidence of this "design," a picture of a carving perhaps?

So you don't know what's in your own link, nor did you read it correctly.

And now you want me to do more research for you? I think not.
I am especially not going to do any research to prove that the Biblical account on which you are resting half your case is supported by any external evidence. I would have thought you would have done that yourself before starting this thread.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Even when presented with the actual quote, you misrepresent it. Why? Everyone can read what it says.

It doesn't claim that there was a pattern carved into the side of a mountain.
It says that, after having climbed a mountain, Moses was verbally instructed on how to design the menorah.
There is no way to tie this to that Spanish carving without misrepresenting the quote.

Also, what link do you suggest between mount Sinai and southern Spain? They are some 5000 kilometers apart.

Good points.

 

[Myriad]

The Bible passage is just more evidence for my claim that the menorah pattern came from the constellations. Where do you go, to be shown a particularly clear and expansive view of the stars? Hint: where do we build most astronomical observatories to this day? Up on a mountain, of course.

Do carvings on rock give off light, the function of a menorah? No, but stars do.

And does the deity whose temple the menorah is intended to illuminate have a throne carved into rock? (Or under the sea, like lost Atlantis?) No, it's in the heavens, where the stars are.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Yes 'Moroccan,' my mistake.

What say you to the ruins I found!?

I'm afraid just admitting to a mistake won't cut it.
You see, you were arguing earlier in this thread, while you thought the ruins were off the coast of Spain, that they must be Atlantis because the location matched that given by Plato.
Now we discover that the ruins are in fact some distance away, on the other side of the Mediterranean, on a different continent altogether.
This leaves you in a rather uncomfortable position.
If Plato's description is accurate, then the ruins you are talking about cannot be those of Atlantis, by your own argument.
If his description is can fit both sites, then it is so vague as to be useless as evidence without some other form of corroboration. You have yet to provide said corroboration.
As I see it, if you want to preserve your case, you will either have to reject the Moroccan site as a possible Atlantis, or provide something more than Plato's description to support the idea of Atlantis lying off the coast of Morocco and not Spain.

 

[Craig4]

So, assuming that what you pointed out were ruins, why jump to the conclusion they somehow relate to Atlantis when so many civilizations occupied the same territory?

 

[King of the Americas]

You called it.



So you don't know what's in your own link, nor did you read it correctly.

And now you want me to do more research for you? I think not.
I am especially not going to do any research to prove that the Biblical account on which you are resting half your case is supported by any external evidence. I would have thought you would have done that yourself before starting this thread.

I know what's in my links, but not where they are in a multi-page thread.

Biblical or otherwise I found no meaning or symbolism origin story of the menorah.

Have you?

What does it mean, symbolize, or represent?

 

[King of the Americas]

The Bible passage is just more evidence for my claim that the menorah pattern came from the constellations. Where do you go, to be shown a particularly clear and expansive view of the stars? Hint: where do we build most astronomical observatories to this day? Up on a mountain, of course.

Do carvings on rock give off light, the function of a menorah? No, but stars do.

And does the deity whose temple the menorah is intended to illuminate have a throne carved into rock? (Or under the sea, like lost Atlantis?) No, it's in the heavens, where the stars are.

Wait, what?

What passages are you referring to?

 

[TheSapient]

I know what's in my links, but not where they are in a multi-page thread.

Biblical or otherwise I found no meaning or symbolism origin story of the menorah.

Have you?

What does it mean, symbolize, or represent?

Really? The Bible often uses the number seven to indicate completeness. Seven days of creation. Animals must be seven days old before sacrifice. Lepers being commanded to bathe seven times before being clean. There are many, many examples.

The Bible never, ever, says anything about taking concentric circles from an Atlantis map and breaking them in half.

The symbolism of lamps and light should be obvious enough. the God of the Bible is constantly associated with light.

Almond trees are among the first to become active after winter. As such it has cultural significance that has worked its way into the religion. It is associated with God's faithfulness and ever-presence.

Gold was associated with the celestial light of God.

This information can be found by searching on something called the internet. It is not hard to use. Or, you could click on this link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_symbolism#The_symbolic_values_of_numbers

 

[Cosmic Yak]

I know what's in my links, but not where they are in a multi-page thread.

Biblical or otherwise I found no meaning or symbolism origin story of the menorah.

Have you?

What does it mean, symbolize, or represent?

No, you don't know what's in your links, hence your confusion between Spain and Morocco.
As for the menorah, I have no idea. Nor do I know why I should have an idea. It's not my theory, and I have no vested interest in trying to prove anything about the menorah's origin. That's your job, remember?

 

[King of the Americas]

No, you don't know what's in your links, hence your confusion between Spain and Morocco.
As for the menorah, I have no idea. Nor do I know why I should have an idea. It's not my theory, and I have no vested interest in trying to prove anything about the menorah's origin. That's your job, remember?

Yes. I rested my case pages ago. I think my theory has validity, and the findings I've presented here are sound.

If you have an alternative theory, please do present it, or relent to my theory, or the throw that there is no origin story for the menorah.

 

[TheSapient]

Yes. I rested my case pages ago. I think my theory has validity, and the findings I've presented here are sound.

If you have an alternative theory, please do present it, or relent to my theory, or the throw that there is no origin story for the menorah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_symbolism#The_symbolic_values_of_numbers

 

[abaddon]

Yes. I rested my case pages ago. I think my theory has validity, and the findings I've presented here are sound.

If you have an alternative theory, please do present it, or relent to my theory, or the throw that there is no origin story for the menorah.

You have yet to make any sort of case.

 

[Pixel42]

Yes. I rested my case pages ago.

Any jury would find those Moroccan ruins not guilty of being Atlantis.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Yes. I rested my case pages ago. I think my theory has validity, and the findings I've presented here are sound.

If you have an alternative theory, please do present it, or relent to my theory, or the throw that there is no origin story for the menorah.

They made a big lamp stand for their sanctuary, and later claimed that their God had ordered them to. What other origin story do you need?

Does the papal tiara have to have been based on a sketch of a ziggurat?
Is tha Ka'aba based on the design of a shipping container from an alien space ship?

There is no reason to invent any kind of pseudo-historical link to a probably mythical city as the origin story of the menorah. And if you do insist on that, actually provide that link. You've only asserted it, and when people aked you how they were linked, you ignore them.

They made something they needed for their rituals, and because it was important and impressive they called it holy. There doesn't need to be a convoluted "National Treasure, starring Nic Cage" type origin story.

 

[GT/CS]

Sorry about reviving this thread from the dead but I didn't want to start yet another Atlantis thread.

Atlantis seekers fascinate me, and the time they spend on their research amazes me. Check out this guy who says Atlantis was/is in Argentina. He thinks he even found the river that created the outer ring of the city!!!
http://www.atlantismaps.com/chapter_7.html

 

[SOdhner]

Atlantis seekers fascinate me, and the time they spend on their research amazes me. Check out this guy who says Atlantis was/is in Argentina. He thinks he even found the river that created the outer ring of the city!!!

And just as we saw with KotA, the message is "This ancient story told by a *fictional character* in a *work of fiction* written by Plato is totally real, except for the size, location, and practically every other detail."

At this point I don't understand why they want to even call it Atlantis. If you think you've found some lost city then cool, but once you've changed every possible detail from the original story why are you insisting it's the same place?

 

[Hans]

Sorry about reviving this thread from the dead but I didn't want to start yet another Atlantis thread.

Atlantis seekers fascinate me, and the time they spend on their research amazes me. Check out this guy who says Atlantis was/is in Argentina. He thinks he even found the river that created the outer ring of the city!!!
http://www.atlantismaps.com/chapter_7.html

Oh yes I remember this gentleman from another website. He has all kinds of manufactured 'evidence' but the key point was this. He considered his finding of Atlantis 'proved' and that he had no reason to actually go there/get others to excavate to find it - he'd found it with 'his logic and reasoning'.

He was going to wait for the world to come to him and tell him how brilliant he was. I think he is still waiting.

Fine fellow and a complete nut.