Destroyed Atlantis = Menorah

[Craig4]

If ANYONE here would like to present an alternative theory for the origins of the "pattern" that became the menorah, I would LOVE to see it and their corresponding evidence.

My activity within this thread is thusly ended.

Can you find any symbols that look like a menorah on the site you claim is Atlantis? Yes or no will do.

 

[Myriad]

If ANYONE here would like to present an alternative theory for the origins of the "pattern" that became the menorah, I would LOVE to see it and their corresponding evidence.

I have presented such an alternative theory. It is every bit as well-supported by facts as yours. The stars are right there in the sky; anyone can look at them, and they really do form the pattern of the menorah shape when connected in the manner I have suggested.

But it's also more plausible than yours at the outset. Where does the Torah say the design of the menorah came from? From YHWH. Where does the Torah say YHWH dwells? Let's make that a multiple choice question:

a) In a powerful city-state that's a military rival to ancient Athens
b) In an ancient lost city submerged under the sea
c) In a bunch of rocks in Spain with carvings on them
d) In the heavens

The correct answer is d. (If you answered b, you've mixed up YHWH with Cthulhu, and you should stop that.) So when YHWH showed His chosen people the pattern for the menorah (or if you prefer, when worshippers of YHWH wrote a story about how YHWH showed them the pattern), what better place and manner to show them than in the heavens, the night sky? Especially since the pattern was for a lamp, an arrangement of lights. That's what the stars and planets in the sky are, to ancient peoples: an arrangement of lights in the "firmament."

 

[jsfisher]

Bickering is a bad think. And so, I have taken some 31 posts off to that bad place where posts sink into despair.

Now knock it off. You have a topic, and it is not each other.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jsfisher

 

[Craig4]

Here Here, good man. *Bangs the desk lightly with a fist*

Yeah, so anything to tie the menorah to your Atlantis? I know symbols can be appropriated; now show that this one was.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

I've been gone for about a week and was hoping to finally see some evidence linking Atlantis to the menorah (either through some ruins in Spain, or perhaps in another way), but it appears that OP still refuses to provide evidence, insisting that his assertions are sufficient, and that it is us who need to provide evidence that he is wrong.
Too bad.

 

[Elagabalus]

Is it too late to say that the Ancient Harbor at Carthage was also rather Menorah-esque?

http://www.ancientmilitary.com/carthage-trade.htm

 

[EHocking]

Is it too late to say that the Ancient Harbor at Carthage was also rather Menorah-esque?

http://www.ancientmilitary.com/carthage-trade.htm

It is neither too late nor more inaccurate than any previous assertions in this thread.

 

[Craig4]

Wouldn't any dock look something like a menorah? You have dock, water, dock water. Would not they all resemble candlestick, space, candlestick? Anywhere you had multiple slips with docks on either side would look like a menorah right?

 

[Wolrab]

Wouldn't any dock look something like a menorah? You have dock, water, dock water. Would not they all resemble candlestick, space, candlestick? Anywhere you had multiple slips with docks on either side would look like a menorah right?

Then the Lord spoketh, "When thou hast completed the holy candelabra, light it and layeth it down in a pool of salt water."

 

[Kid Eager]

Wouldn't any dock look something like a menorah? You have dock, water, dock water. Would not they all resemble candlestick, space, candlestick? Anywhere you had multiple slips with docks on either side would look like a menorah right?

WhAt ridunculous retconning! Everybody knows that the menorah is derived from the original fork that was forgotten when that prehistoric tecnologically advanced society fell.

These days we have to make do with 4 tines on our forks as the secret of 7 tine manufacturing was lost (which is why you don't see 7-tine forks. Obviously).

 

[Mojo]

WhAt ridunculous retconning! Everybody knows that the menorah is derived from the original fork that was forgotten when that prehistoric tecnologically advanced society fell.

These days we have to make do with 4 tines on our forks as the secret of 7 tine manufacturing was lost (which is why you don't see 7-tine forks. Obviously).

Perhaps the Atlanteans had wider mouths.

 

[Craig4]

Perhaps the Atlanteans had wider mouths.

Or they stabbed their lips a lot.

 

[John Jones]

WhAt ridunculous retconning! Everybody knows that the menorah is derived from the original fork that was forgotten when that prehistoric tecnologically advanced society fell.

These days we have to make do with 4 tines on our forks as the secret of 7 tine manufacturing was lost (which is why you don't see 7-tine forks. Obviously).

'Struth! I have four-tine forks and three-tine seafood forks. Clearly some magic is lost. My elders tell of 5-tine BBQ forks, but where is the proof?

 

[Kid Eager]

'Struth! I have four-tine forks and three-tine seafood forks. Clearly some magic is lost. My elders tell of 5-tine BBQ forks, but where is the proof?

Written on the walls of the cubicle:

"For a good tine call Five Tine Fribblewang on nnnn-nnnn"
crossed out and written below...
"For a menorable tine, call Seven Tine Atok on nnnn-nnnnn."

 

[Craig4]

I was feeling a bit under the weather yesterday and watched some more of the National Geographic "Atlantis" documentary. Wow, the confirmation bias is strong with these people. They couldn't find anything that looked like concentric circles that wasn't symbolic of the Atlantis. Even a glyph of a horse was suddenly symbolic of Atlantis. It was all couched in "could be" or "if that means this so this means that". They never (at least until I got disgusted and changed the channel) come out and make a defensible claim. I remember when National Geographic did real science.

 

[King of the Americas]

Then the Lord spoketh, "When thou hast completed the holy candelabra, light it and layeth it down in a pool of salt water."

That's not what the bible quote says in regards to the menorah...

It is posted on page one. The graven image was to be made after a "pattern" on some mount.

 

[Kid Eager]

That's not what the bible quote says in regards to the menorah...

It is posted on page one. The graven image was to be made after a "pattern" on some mount.

Much wrong with this interpretation. If you read the preceding verses in any version of the Bible, the pattern is stated in words, with the final exhortation being to continue to make menorah after this pattern.

The whole graven image thing is a MacGuffin, as the term wasn't used pre-KGV

 

[King of the Americas]

Much wrong with this interpretation. If you read the preceding verses in any version of the Bible, the pattern is stated in words, with the final exhortation being to continue to make menorah after this pattern.

The whole graven image thing is a MacGuffin, as the term wasn't used pre-KGV

Say more things...

 

[Cosmic Yak]

That's not what the bible quote says in regards to the menorah...

It is posted on page one. The graven image was to be made after a "pattern" on some mount.

I assumed by this you meant page one of this thread. However, no such quote can be found there.
It is also clearly not the first page of the Bible.
To which 'page one' are you referring?

In my search, I found something else:

The thing that brings me back, is that I'd like feedback on a particular "woo-subject" I was introduced to last week.

So..along the Spanish coast are remnants of 'half' of Atlantis...

http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/tag/hierarchical-constraint-satisfaction/

The link shows a site on the Moroccan coast, which would rather seem to undermine your argument that it shows Atlantis to be on the Spanish coast.

There is no mention in this link of a menorah. In fact, the link is rather dismissive of the possibility that the site could be Atlantis.

There are some who postulate that the Menorah was misconstrued as a candle stick, rather than a symbol of the lost city, with half its concentric circles missing.

Here once again, is the Bible quote you keep mangling.

"You are to make a menorah of pure gold. It is to be made of hammered work; its base, shaft, cups, ring of outer leaves and petals are to be of one piece with it. 32 It is to have six branches extending from its sides, three branches of the menorah on one side of it and three on the other. 33 On one branch are to be three cups shaped like almond blossoms, each with a ring of outer leaves and petals; likewise on the opposite branch three cups shaped like almond blossoms, each with a ring of outer leaves and petals; and similarly for all six branches extending from the menorah. 34 On the central shaft of the menorah are to be four cups shaped like almond blossoms, each with its ring of outer leaves and petals. 35 Where each pair of branches joins the central shaft is to be a ring of outer leaves of one piece with the pair of branches -thus for all six branches. 36 The rings of outer leaves and their branches are to be of one piece with the shaft. Thus the whole menorah is to be a single piece of hammered work made of pure gold. 37 "Make seven lamps for the menorah, and mount them so as to give light to the space in front of it. 38 Its tongs and trays are to be of pure gold. 39 The menorah and its utensils are to be made of sixty-six pounds of pure gold. 40 See that you make them according to the design being shown you on the mountain.

Unless you are going to try to claim that Atlantis was bult to look like almond blossoms, I think you should perhaps reconsider the validity of a connection between Atlantis and the menorah.

 

[Kid Eager]

Mr Yak, your response was far too diligent, considering the quality of the post you were responding to. In future, please keep the quality to a level commensurate with the effort that the claimant puts in....