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DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt

Texas sheriff opens investigation into DeSantis’ migrant flight to Martha’s Vineyard

A Texas sheriff has launched an investigation into the circumstances surrounding Gov. Ron DeSantis' choice to transport a group of migrants from San Antonio to Martha's Vineyard, according to the sheriff's office.

San Antonio's Bexar County Sheriff, Javier Salazar, gave a news conference on the migrant flight on Monday. It's important to note that DeSantis is a Republican and Salazar is a Democrat.

“The Bexar County Sheriff’s Office has opened an investigation into the migrants that were lured from the Migrant Resource Center, located in Bexar County, TX, and flown to Florida, where they were ultimately left to fend for themselves in Martha’s Vineyard, MA,” the Bexar County Sheriff’s Office tweeted. “Additionally, we are working with private attorneys who are representing the victims, as well as advocacy organizations regarding this incident.”
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Is "pwning the libs" an affirmative legal defense?
 
Warp12 said:
I don't know that he is a Trump "mini-me". He seems sharper and not as much of a loose cannon. I mean, he hasn't even hosted The Apprentice. And he doesn't have a past loaded with questionable business dealings. Plus, he is a lot younger.
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Look! Squirrel!

I notice you don't mention how he differs from Trump in his political ideology .

You're not fooling anyone with your act.
 
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Upchurch said:
Texas sheriff opens investigation into DeSantis’ migrant flight to Martha’s Vineyard

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A Texas sheriff has launched an investigation into the circumstances surrounding Gov. Ron DeSantis' choice to transport a group of migrants from San Antonio to Martha's Vineyard, according to the sheriff's office.

San Antonio's Bexar County Sheriff, Javier Salazar, gave a news conference on the migrant flight on Monday. It's important to note that DeSantis is a Republican and Salazar is a Democrat.
“The Bexar County Sheriff’s Office has opened an investigation into the migrants that were lured from the Migrant Resource Center, located in Bexar County, TX, and flown to Florida, where they were ultimately left to fend for themselves in Martha’s Vineyard, MA,” the Bexar County Sheriff’s Office tweeted. “Additionally, we are working with private attorneys who are representing the
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Is "pwning the libs" an affirmative legal defense?
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It's not like a Texas Republican is going to question the legality of the stunt, especially Trump/Abbott lickspittle AG Ken Paxton.
 
Stacyhs said:
Look! Squirrel!

I notice you don't mention how he differs from Trump in his political ideology .

You're not fooling anyone with your act.
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You may enjoy this article which discusses some differences between DeSantis and Trump, and why DeSantis is a more promising GOP candidate:

Liberals Should Welcome Ron DeSantis’ Rise
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/07/desantis-trump-democracy-00044494

DeSantis would be a fool not to appeal to Trump's base. He is doing a good job, with stunts like this, and it might land him the Oval Office in 2024.
 
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DeSantis's only playbook is doing the opposite of what Dems do. Like almost every Republican these days, he's and underplants gnome, following the script of:

1. Trigger the Libs
2. ??
3. Profit
 
The Great Zaganza said:
DeSantis's only playbook is doing the opposite of what Dems do. Like almost every Republican these days, he's and underplants gnome, following the script of:

1. Trigger the Libs
2. ??
3. Profit
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That's the modern Republican party in a nutshell: Whatever the Democratic Party is for, they're against. That and cruelty.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
DeSantis's only playbook is doing the opposite of what Dems do. Like almost every Republican these days, he's and underplants gnome, following the script of:

1. Trigger the Libs
2. ??
3. Profit
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Getting a profit seems to be pretty easy, look at how much the Stop the Steal got as profit.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Theres been local news stories here that certain states, including Texas, are doing just that. Giving homeless a one way ticket to Albuquerque. I guess we can afford to house them though, what with all the pot we're selling to Texans at border towns.
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That's been going on for years. And major cities don't just receive those riders. They also will send them off too. The problem is, there's very little consideration for where the person is actually from or if they have any prospects there.
 
Warp12 said:
You may enjoy this article which discusses some differences between DeSantis and Trump, and why DeSantis is a more promising GOP candidate:

Liberals Should Welcome Ron DeSantis’ Rise
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/07/desantis-trump-democracy-00044494

DeSantis would be a fool not to appeal to Trump's base. He is doing a good job, with stunts like this, and it might land him the Oval Office in 2024.
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LOL! REALLY?

That is an opinion piece written by conservative writer Rich Lowry, editor-in-chief of the National Review, who is a DeSantis supporter if his articles are any indication. And they are.

Your linked article doesn't discuss political or ideological differences between Trump and DeSantis, but focuses on how DeSantis isn't crazy as Trump, is smarter, and doesn't come with Trump's baggage.

There is no doubt that DeSantis reflects a new more Trumpian Republican Party, in his combativeness with the press, in his emphasis on cultural issues, in his willingness to use government power in the culture war, and in his ability to appeal to Trump voters.
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DeSantis may be Trumpy in notable respects, but, importantly, he doesn’t exhibit any of Trump’s character flaws.
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By any reasonable standard, DeSantis’ supposed sins are peccadilloes compared to those of Trump.
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Lowry then goes on to compare some of Trump's actions compared to DeSantis', which as a conservative, Lowry obviously approves of or he wouldn't have brought them up as positives examples. However, those examples are 1) the very things that Dems are critical of, and 2) are also supported by Trump.
For example:

Trump tried to bully his vice president into changing or blocking the counting of the electoral votes and then sat contentedly as a braying mob targeted him; DeSantis ended Florida’s Covid strictures earlier than most other states.
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But DeSantis endorses election deniers like Doug Mastriano, Kari Lake, Blake Masters, and JD Vance just like Trump. Trump also supported DeSantis' ending of Covid strictures.

Trump may or may not have lunged at the steering wheel of his SUV as it took him back to the White House on Jan. 6 instead of to the U.S. Capitol; DeSantis signed a bill to prevent kids from being taught about sexual orientation and gender identity in public schools in grades K-3.
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Trump also approves of the new "Don't Say Gay" law:

"Former President Trump (R) on Thursday said Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ (R) decision to sign the Parental Rights in Education law – know to its critics as the “Don’t Say Gay” law – was a “good move.”

“I do think it was a good move,” Trump said in an interview with The Washington Post, though he reportedly declined to elaborate."


Trump has continued to promote conspiracy theories about the 2020 election and endorse candidates who believe or pretend to believe in them; DeSantis criticized Anthony Fauci.
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As posted above, DeSantis also endorses candidates who believe or pretend to believe in the same election conspiracy theories. And Trump also criticized Fauci.
DeSantis refuses to say whether the election was rigged but he also refuses to say it wasn't. His post-election crackdown on 'voter fraud' gives a clue as to what he does think.

DeSantis may not be a sociopathic narcissist like Trump, but he's still a Trumper in his beliefs and actions.
 
Warp12 said:
You may enjoy this article which discusses some differences between DeSantis and Trump, and why DeSantis is a more promising GOP candidate:

Liberals Should Welcome Ron DeSantis’ Rise
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/07/desantis-trump-democracy-00044494

DeSantis would be a fool not to appeal to Trump's base. He is doing a good job, with stunts like this, and it might land him the Oval Office in 2024.
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So now kidnapping and racketeering are just politics?

Is there anything that isn't just politics to you?
 
arayder said:
So now kidnapping and racketeering are just politics?

Is there anything that isn't just politics to you?
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I don't think we can exactly call this "kidnapping". I mean, apparently DHS was involved. One might even say that without their help, this might not have come to fruition.
 
Warp12 said:
I don't think we can exactly call this "kidnapping". I mean, apparently DHS was involved. One might even say that without their help, this might not have come to fruition.
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Is there any political crime you won't try to explain away?
 
Warp12 said:
I don't think we can exactly call this "kidnapping". I mean, apparently DHS was involved. One might even say that without their help, this might not have come to fruition.
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Upchurch said:
Taken somewhere under false pretenses? Oh, I think we can.


I missed that. Source?

eta: Yeah, I'm calling BS on that. Everything I'm reading says DHS specifically wasn't notified or involved.
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Yeah so tack on another crime!

"But your honor I can break any law I want as long as I tweak the libs."
 
Migrants file class action suit has been filed against DeSantis over his stunt.

The group of Venezuelan migrants flown from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard, Mass., last week by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) filed a class-action suit against the governor and the state’s transportation secretary on Tuesday.

The suit provides a detailed account of how the migrants came to board the two planes allegedly under false pretenses, arguing the relocations violated their Fourth and 14th Amendment rights and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

“These immigrants, who are pursuing the proper channels for lawful immigration status in the United States, experienced cruelty akin to what they fled in their home country,” the suit alleges.

“Defendants manipulated them, stripped them of their dignity, deprived them of their liberty, bodily autonomy, due process and equal protection under law, and impermissibly interfered with the Federal Government’s exclusive control over immigration in furtherance of an unlawful goal and a personal political agenda,” it continues.

The suit, filed in a federal trial court in Massachusetts, asks a judge to declare DeSantis’s relocations illegal under the Constitution as well as federal and state laws. It also asks the judge to prevent Florida from inducing immigrants to travel across state laws by fraud and misrepresentation.
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The money DeSantis used to fly the migrants to MA specifically states the migrants must be in FL but the migrants were taken from TX, flown to FL, and then on to MA. Stopping in FL is probably an attempt by DeSantis to circumvent that requirement. He broke FL law with this stunt.
 
Upchurch said:
I missed that. Source?

eta: Yeah, I'm calling BS on that. Everything I'm reading says DHS specifically wasn't notified or involved.
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Watch the vid linked at the start of the thread. "Angry Jane Curtin" (as I like to call her) is ranting about all of the mistreatment of the migrants. She claims that on top of everything else, DHS was assigning them falsified paperwork listing their addresses as random shelters.

This has been gone over in the thread, already. I'm surprised you missed it.
 
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