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Derby UK NHS manager calls in exorcist

cj.23

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So say the Sun. Sure, it's quite normal public sector practice - regardless of whether or not you believe in ghosts, you don't want spooked staff. The CofE are contacted, and a diocesan exorcist of which I have had the pleasure of knowing two trundles round and calms people down. The Sun seems very keen on it - I wonder if they would be interested in my 6'2 blonde friend who is doing her PhD in parapsychology at the moment, the first major research on apparitions in a while as far as I know. She is based in Derby (and i often cite her MSc research - I did earlier this week actually...) Got a feeling the Sun would love her - but sadly not for the right reasons! She is incidentally a sceptic, just in case you were wondering...

Anyway here is the article
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2189230.ece

cj x
 
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And the same from the Telegraph;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...al-calls-in-exorcist-after-ghost-spotted.html

Darn you CJ, you beat me to it! Interesting to know that it really did happen - thanks for that (though no doubt the details aren't quite accurate).

This is rather like the local council incident last year, with the important difference that this doesn't seem to be wasting any taxpayer's money. I do still feel that managers shouldn't mindlessly pander to irrationality though. Why not get a parapsychologist in instead of a chaplain? Or as well as?
 
On second thought, bearing in mind this denial of an outright exorcism, it's actually pretty reasonable of them to treat this very real "human resources" problem as a religious matter and to get the chaplain to have a word. A parapsych or sceptical angle would be nice, but the manager may not even be aware of such things. The exorcism spin on this story could actually be very disingenuous (got to love the press).

CJ tells us that exorcism is done, but here it looks like just a quiet word with some hysterical types.
 
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I liked this caption on BBC News:

I had the sound down so I don't know if the guy in the picture is the ghost or not.

Presumably if the hospital managers didn't take seriously this piece of ludicrous nonsense then the more "sensitive" staff would be claiming that their human rights were being violated :rolleyes:

ETA: Looks like my sarcasm was uncalled for. Article 31 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states "Everyone has the right to live in a spirit- and demon-free environment"

You live and learn.
 
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Ha! Interesting. Here's the interview with the bonkers bish (ok, monk-turned-priest), Dom Antony Sutch. It's a real hoot;

Interviewer (Edward Stourton) "...do you find this credible, this story?

Sutch - "I do indeed, I do indeed, I have no doubt about it at all. Firstly I trust people, they don't make these things up, or if they do it's usually just one or two, I believe in life after death, therefore I belive there is the possibility of such things, I believe in the power of evil, I think it exists, and I have the source of that, the original, is Jesus casting out demons."

Int - "You have to be trained in a particular way to be an exorcist do you not?

Sutch - "You do indeed, because evil can be remarkably powerful, extremely devious almost by definition, therefore you have to be somebody of some spiritual strength, ability to understand what's going on and how to counrteract it. And I've had the...privilege I suppose of knowing a couple of exorcists, and one of them told me the most terrifying story of how long it took to expel a demon, but the thing that slightly worries me is normally demons possess *people*, so this may not necessarily be evil, it could be a disturbed Roman soldier, certainly a disturbed soul, but I don't think you need an exorcist, you probably just need somebody to pray, to put the spirit to rest."

Int - "So it's a job that could be done by someone like yourself in fact?"

Sutch - "well, er.. em em em ha ha, I don't think I'm worthy of such things, I'm too frightened of evil and suchlike, somebody who is certainly is aware of what is going on, obviously has a fairly strong psyche so that they can counteract any attempt by the spirit to enter them".

Int - "But it's very interesting the distinction you make...do, are you saying that the sort of ghosts that we talk about in ghost stories, spirits...walking in buildings, are slightly different from demons that possess people?

Sutch - "I would certainly think so yes, I would say that erm demons trying to possess somebody is a very different world, as it were, a very different reaction is needed, to a to a spirit that is...ill at ease, that has been disturbed at rest, and is trying I..as I see it to return to the other world."

Int - "So this could just be a spirit that 's unhappy rather than one that's actually evil?"

Sutch - "I, I would imagine so yes, I think that if it was a..a..a demon trying to, as it were, wreak havoc, I think we would be far more frightened people and people would be more aware of it.

Int - "Well it's intriguing stuff. Dom Antony Sutch thank you very much indeed for talking to us, and I should add that while we were conducting that interview, we've had another word from the hospital, we the programme have spoken to the chaplain in Derby, but she refuses to confirm or deny any of the details...the mystery continues..."

Whole piece is online here for now at least.
 
On second thought, bearing in mind this denial of an outright exorcism, it's actually pretty reasonable of them to treat this very real "human resources" problem as a religious matter and to get the chaplain to have a word. A parapsych or sceptical angle would be nice, but the manager may not even be aware of such things. The exorcism spin on this story could actually be very disingenuous (got to love the press).

CJ tells us that exorcism is done, but here it looks like just a quiet word with some hysterical types.

Yeah sorry, that was misleading of me. Exorcism is VERY, VERY rarely done. I have never heard of a case. What is done is what will happen here - the CofE has a "deliverance ministry" -- and most of the work of the diocesan exorcists I have met seems to be normal pastoral care. What you do in a situation like this is say a few prayers, have a cup of coffee with whoever is worried, and sprinkles some holy water around. There is clearly no ghost here -- ok, famous last words, but I don't buy a word of it -- but ther eis a fear of a ghost. That si what you try and resolve. It's also interest that the two exorcists i have met in the CofE are both from a medical/scientific background - one was a psychiatrist before joining the church, the other who I have only chatted with briefly twice - lovely lady - a consultant neurologist with a strong research background in that field. Both were the most down to earth people you can imagine, and curiously both seemed to think that I with my background in parapsychology might help them explain some phenomena that puzzled them, and were quite open about this. I wish I knew the answers I promise, and was rather startled they seemed to think my opinion being non-religious of import, but they did.

Years ago I "cured" a "ghost" outbreak with an ancient Sumerian rite which was the lyrics of Cliff Richard's "Devil Woman" quickly written out by me backwards.

Evi dah gnihton tub dab kcul
Ecnis eht yad I was eht tac ta ym rood
Os I emac otni uoy teews ydal
Gnirewsn ruoy lacitsym llac

However such placebo interventions can backfire badly, as I saw in a recent case for a bewildered local housing association (and before you ask I NEVER accept any money for investigations). Playing games with people is really pretty ethically unacceptable, even if you think they are deluded, so I'm always straight with them "you are imagining it" or "I think you are turning in to a fruit bat" - I have said that last one many times, and so far no one has performed said transmogrification before my eyes. If they do I'll let you know!

Wos, the ethics of spontaneous case investigation - Ciairan did a paper on that recently, possibly with Rich Wiseman, I have it on my pc somewhere. It's a real minefield.

cj x
 

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