Democrats, the real conservatives

[Oso]

We had a nice fund raiser for Kerry last Thursday here in Houston. You may not of heard about it yet but we set the all time record for a Texas Democratic fund raiser. The goal was to raise 1 million... we brought in over 2 million dollars.

I had an opportunity to speak with senator Kerry and amazingly enough you may be seeing some of my suggested campaign strategies in the coming months. The first thing I did was give him some bullet points to think about. As soon as he read them he started rattling off many more examples, implying he was already thinking about this.

Here's what I gave him.

Democrats, The Real Conservatives


We need to take ownership of the word conservative. We need to take it away from the Republicans. Bush is not a conservative. These positions are not conservative.

* Remove the security from Social Security.

* Invade another country based purely on ideological philosophy.

* Increase spending without paying for it. We tax and spend they just spend.

* Alienate nearly every nation in the rest of the world.

* Label teachers terrorists.

* Abandon Hubble and existing good science. Instead try to put a man on Mars at much greater expense.

* Propose frivolous constitutional amendments to outlaw flag burning and define marriage.

* Gut the EPA and open up pristine environments for exploitation.

This is not conservation. George Bush is not conservative.
WE ARE THE CONSERVATIVES!

 

[shanek]

Ah, so the Democrats are going to pretend to be conservative while still going about their socialistic spend-thrifting ways. So now, they're even more like the Republicans...

 

[LeFevre]

Ah, so the Democrats are going to pretend to be conservative while still going about their socialistic spend-thrifting ways. So now, they're even more like the Republicans...

hehehe

 

[Ziggurat]

This is not conservation. George Bush is not conservative.
WE ARE THE CONSERVATIVES!

Stupid strategy. Who, exactly, is this supposed to target? Conservatives won't be swayed, because although they may concede that Bush isn't really that conservative, he's still right-wing, and there's no way in hell you can covince them that Kerry is actually a conservative. Liberals aren't going to vote against Bush because he's NOT conservative, and they aren't going to vote FOR Kerry because he is conservative. And the vast middle simply will not care which label you stick on which candidate - what they'll take from this isn't that Bush is not a conservative (because ultimately they don't care), but that Kerry is trying to give himself a label (conservative) which simply doesn't fit. Kerry's got some serious problems if this is the kind of strategy he needs to resort to. And I'm not even talking about the debatable validity of the individual accusations, which really won't play nearly as well in mainstream america as they play among those already commited anti-Bushers.

 

[American]

That's like claiming you don't own an SUV, rather your family does....

Oh and he never threw his Vietnam medals. Those were his ribbons that he threw. Big difference.


The only "message" he sells is that voters are stupid. And now you want to take this joke to a new level by claiming that you are conservative. You can't say "I'm liberal, and I'm proud." You have to lie about who and what you are.

FYI, the network filters won't save you this time. There are a dozen alternatives to Dan Rather and Piere Jennings, and conservative networks (tv and radio) are all killing the competition in ratings.

Have you ever considered that your ideas and crap values are what's being rejected? Not the messenger or the medium, but YOU. You suck. That's basically it. People don't want their money taken away and wasted in the public sector. They don't want to cower and run from a war - they want to fight and win it. They deeply resent the 4-to-8 years you delay getting an actual JOB - doing real work - while you cry, play with yourself, and accuse those "oppressive" parents for not giving you money to buy pot for the weekend.

You stink. We hate you. Nobody cares about your good intentions or what you learned in comparative literature class, how "the American middle class rapes the world through Globalization and keeps the po' black man down in da ghetto." Drugs and poverty are the product of Johnson-style 'war' on poverty, and the result we have is the miserable government housing projects you see in every urban landscape.

Whenever a murderer is caught, or a child rapist, or a pety shop-lifter for that matter, right there beside them is an ACLU lawyer protecting them. A liberal. You will not see a conservative apologize for the atrocities of violent criminals. Only YOU. You, who would sooner put a home-owner in jail for shooting an intruder, rather than the actual guy who was robbing someone's house.

You SUCK. You were born to suck, and now the American public knows it. So keep sucking, sucker.

And fill my SUV while you're at it.

 

[jj]

Ah, so the Democrats are going to pretend to be conservative while still going about their socialistic spend-thrifting ways. So now, they're even more like the Republicans...

***HOWL***

Hey, Shane, dude, they spent less money than the 'pubs over the last 50 years.

Sad when you figure that out, isn't it? FDR is probably rolling around in his coffin.

 

[clk]

That's like claiming you don't own an SUV, rather your family does....

Oh and he never threw his Vietnam medals. Those were his ribbons that he threw. Big difference.


The only "message" he sells is that voters are stupid. And now you want to take this joke to a new level by claiming that you are conservative. You can't say "I'm liberal, and I'm proud." You have to lie about who and what you are.

FYI, the network filters won't save you this time. There are a dozen alternatives to Dan Rather and Piere Jennings, and conservative networks (tv and radio) are all killing the competition in ratings.

Have you ever considered that your ideas and crap values are what's being rejected? Not the messenger or the medium, but YOU. You suck. That's basically it. People don't want their money taken away and wasted in the public sector. They don't want to cower and run from a war - they want to fight and win it. They deeply resent the 4-to-8 years you delay getting an actual JOB - doing real work - while you cry, play with yourself, and accuse those "oppressive" parents for not giving you money to buy pot for the weekend.

You stink. We hate you. Nobody cares about your good intentions or what you learned in comparative literature class, how "the American middle class rapes the world through Globalization and keeps the po' black man down in da ghetto." Drugs and poverty are the product of Johnson-style 'war' on poverty, and the result we have is the miserable government housing projects you see in every urban landscape.

Whenever a murderer is caught, or a child rapist, or a pety shop-lifter for that matter, right there beside them is an ACLU lawyer protecting them. A liberal. You will not see a conservative apologize for the atrocities of violent criminals. Only YOU. You, who would sooner put a home-owner in jail for shooting an intruder, rather than the actual guy who was robbing someone's house.

You SUCK. You were born to suck, and now the American public knows it. So keep sucking, sucker.

And fill my SUV while you're at it.

Funny how you bash liberals when so many of them are advocating the right for you and Elton to get married.
Not that Elton would marry you. He's still pissed about what you said here. Contrary to what you think, he did NOT copy REO Speedwagon. He did NOT.

I keep trying to delete this thread. Where's the "lock" button? I can't find it.


Please- STOP writing stuff now. DON'T post here anymore. DON'T.

 

[corplinx]

I had an opportunity to speak with senator Kerry and amazingly enough you may be seeing some of my suggested campaign strategies in the coming months.

You realize every other a-hole he runs into tries to tell him how to run his campaign and he nods and says "thats a good idea".

 

[RandFan]

Remove the security from Social Security.

You'll explain this and cure me of my Naivete.

Invade another country based purely on ideological philosophy.

Straw man.

Increase spending without paying for it. We tax and spend they just spend.

Valid criticism, hardly something to be proud of.

Alienate nearly every nation in the rest of the world.

Yes, we should do what the French and Germans tell us to do. Now there is a bright idea.

Label teachers terrorists.

I forgot the nexus for this. But I will tell you that the Teachers Union is probably the worst thing that ever happened to kids.

Abandon Hubble and existing good science. Instead try to put a man on Mars at much greater expense.

Again, I don't really know the particulars. Was it Bush or Conservatives that suggested ending Hubble? The trip to Mars seems a little wrong headed but hey, it would be a grand idea if we could afford it and there weren't better ideas.

Propose frivolous constitutional amendments to outlaw flag burning...

Popular amongst Republicans and Democrats, come on, let's be intellectually honest, ',

...and define marriage.

Fair criticism but again, this is also popular amongst both parties. Democrat and Liberal leaders however take a significantly more tolerant stance and perhaps on flag burning also. But have the balls to admit that politically both are favored by the majority.

Gut the EPA and open up pristine environments for exploitation.

This I am for, at least to an extent. I love how you beg the question as if it is impossible to drill for oil in an environmentally safe fashion.

Yeah, I know, Democrats good Republicans bad. Intellectually lazy but politically effective.

Thanks for the post.

RandFan

P.S. Why didn't Kerry have the Balls to say "yeah, I pollute the environment by using an SUV? Come on Senator, we are really not that stupid (are we?)!

P.P.S Did he or didn't Kerry throw his medals over the fence?

 

[shanek]

Re: Re: Democrats, the real conservatives

You realize every other a-hole he runs into tries to tell him how to run his campaign and he nods and says "thats a good idea".

That's one of the things I liked about meeting Aaron Russo (one of the forerunners for the LP nomination) this weekend. He was very nice and open and ready to chat and listen to ideas and suggestions, but when there was something he didn't agree with, he'd say something like, "Well, I see your point, and I understand and respect your position, but it's my campaign and I'm gonna run it the way I think is best."

 

[shanek]

You'll explain this and cure me of my Naivete.

That confused me, too. Of course, I don't see any "security" in Social Security to begin with. I'd rather remove the "social" and restore the "security."

Yes, we should do what the French and Germans tell us to do. Now there is a bright idea.

Or we should just mind our own frickin' business and not go meddling in over a hundred different countries making enemies and making ourselves targets for the terrorists.

Fair criticism but again, this is also popular amongst both parties.

I think it's disingenuous, because Kerry has actually come out against gay marriage. Is he talking out of both sides of his mouth here?

 

[Upchurch]

That's like claiming you don't own an SUV, rather your family does....

Oh and he never threw his Vietnam medals. Those were his ribbons that he threw. Big difference.


The only "message" he sells is that voters are stupid. And now you want to take this joke to a new level by claiming that you are conservative. You can't say "I'm liberal, and I'm proud." You have to lie about who and what you are.

[modu]This post was reported for being abusive. This is not, however, against forum rules. For those that don't care for American's posting style, I highly suggest ignoring him.[/modu]

 

[shemp]

Whenever a murderer is caught, or a child rapist, or a pety shop-lifter for that matter, right there beside them is an ACLU lawyer protecting them.

ACLU Comes to Rush Limbaugh's Defense

ACLU defends Nazis in Skokie

ACLU defends Ku Klux Klan right to march

 

[shemp]

And fill my SUV while you're at it.

It's already full of crap whenever you drive it.

 

[Luke T.]

I'm thinking of John Kerry's front man right now.

Ted Kennedy. Conservative.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Kodiak]

ACLU Comes to Rush Limbaugh's Defense

ACLU defends Nazis in Skokie

ACLU defends Ku Klux Klan right to march

Show me a link where the ACLU defends an individual or a gun manufacturer against a lawsuit challenging their 2nd Amendment right and I'll rethink my opinion of the ACLU...

 

[NightG1]

It's already full of crap whenever you drive it.

Not to mention REO 8-tracks -- oh, same thing. Sorry.

 

[Upchurch]

Show me a link where the ACLU defends an individual or a gun manufacturer against a lawsuit challenging their 2nd Amendment right and I'll rethink my opinion of the ACLU...

This is the ACLU's position on the Second Amendment.

 

[Kodiak]

We need to take ownership of the word conservative. We need to take it away from the Republicans.

You had possession of that term when you guys were the loyalist Tories back during the revolution. It is no mistake that the Jeffersonian liberals of the revolution have more in common with todays conservatives. The reversal of terms occured as the State transitioned from a monarchy to a confederacy, to a constitutionally-limited representative democracy.

Being a conservative libertarian, there is alot I disagree with in the GOP and the current administration, and I do what I can from within to change it, but Bush and the GOPers are not nearly as bad as the liberal democrats and their "vision" for this country.

 

[Kodiak]

This is the ACLU's position on the Second Amendment.

Ah, yes...the collective rights argument.

Funny that they consider the founders intent for finding that all the other constitutional amendments secured individual rights and freedoms.

How selectively biased of them...

James Madison, considered to be the author of the Bill of Rights, wrote that the entire Bill of Rights was "calculated to secure the personal rights of the people". -- Stephen P. Halbrook, "Where Kids and Gun Do Mix", Wall Street Journal, June 2000.

"The congress of the United States possesses no power to regulate, or interfere with the domestic concerns, or police of any state: it belongs not to them to establish any rules respecting the rights of property: nor will the constitution permit any prohibition of arms to the people: or of peaceable assemblies by them, for any purposes whatsoever, and in any number, whenever they may see occasion. -- Tucker's Blackstone, Volume 1 Appendix Note D., 1803 - Tucker's comments provide a number of rare insights into the consensus for interpretation of the Constitution that prevailed shortly after its ratification, after the debates had settled down and the Constitution was put into practice