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Split Thread DEI in the US

The actual survey statement is "1 in 6 have been asked to deprioritize hiring white men".

Why did the article you linked change the correct verbiage from 'deprioritize' meaning to stop giving priority treatment, to the incorrect verbiage 'stop hiring'?
Weaselly.

The directive assumes a priori that the hiring managers are being blatantly racist in their hiring decisions. There's simply no other way to interpret "prioritizing hiring white men". And the only way to distance oneself from this accusation is to not hire any white men at all, at least for a while. Especially if the last qualified hire you made happened to be a white man. The whole thing is pretty foul.
 
Weaselly.

The directive assumes a priori that the hiring managers are being blatantly racist in their hiring decisions. There's simply no other way to interpret "prioritizing hiring white men". And the only way to distance oneself from this accusation is to not hire any white men at all, at least for a while. Especially if the last qualified hire you made happened to be a white man. The whole thing is pretty foul.
Spoken like someone with absolutely no experience hiring people.
 
Weaselly.

The directive assumes a priori that the hiring managers are being blatantly racist in their hiring decisions. There's simply no other way to interpret "prioritizing hiring white men". And the only way to distance oneself from this accusation is to not hire any white men at all, at least for a while. Especially if the last qualified hire you made happened to be a white man. The whole thing is pretty foul.
Just as there is simply no other way to interpret "prioritizing hiring non-white men", and the only way to distance yourself from that accusation is to not hire any non-white men at all, at least for a while.

That is what @theprestige is telling us. Presuming, of course, that @theprestige applies exactly the same standards of interpretation without regard to the class of potential employees he is discussing.

Which would, of course, be a foolish thing to presume. Before we presume any such thing, we should consider whether he has consistently applied the same standards, regardless of the class of potential employees he happens to be discussing.
 
Weaselly.

The directive assumes a priori that the hiring managers are being blatantly racist in their hiring decisions.
Or there is implicit bias that favors hiring white men. That's the point a lot of folks like yourself miss. It's not "don't hire white men". It's "look at more than just white men."
There's simply no other way to interpret "prioritizing hiring white men".
see above
And the only way to distance oneself from this accusation is to not hire any white men at all, at least for a while. Especially if the last qualified hire you made happened to be a white man. The whole thing is pretty foul.
So, only white men can be qualified?
 
This was posted to another thread, but I think it deserves to be here too:

Interesting article about how the US government has banned certain words; accessibility, advocacy, barriers, biases, breastfeeding, climate change, disability, diversity, ethnicity, equity, female, gender, gender-affirming care, health disparity, immigrants, inclusion, mental health, minority, pregnant people, race, racism, sex, socioeconomic, systemic, underserved, victim, vulnerable populations, women, from US in federal documents.

Yet it is the UK that the US government accuses of restricting free speach.

Notice how it is the mere use of the words "diversity", "equity", and "inclusion" that is being excised from documents. This isn't about banning programs that implement discriminatory policies under the guise of calling them "DEI". This is about banning all mention of diversity. All mention of equity. All mention of inclusion. You can't even talk about them. You can't use them in a sentence in federal documents.

The full article is, of course, paywalled, but I know for a fact that some people here can access it through their academic institution.
 
In an ideal world, jobs would be filled with the best qualified person, regardless of race, religion, or sex. This is not an ideal world.
I am torn on this. I have no doubt the DEI programs the Feds had was probably wasteful and badly ran, but itls clear the Trumpers have gone in the other direction.......they want to favor whites applicants. Hesgrath, in parituclar, has all but said in so many words he wants only Whites in the US Military.
 
In an ideal world, jobs would be filled with the best qualified person, regardless of race, religion, or sex. This is not an ideal world.
I am torn on this. I have no doubt the DEI programs the Feds had was probably wasteful and badly ran...
In education, government, business, and wherever else DEI was deployed, it wasn't just wasteful, it was destructive. Student test scores tanked, business suffered losses, the most promising up-and-coming scientists forced to move abroad to find jobs, and a complete airhead nearly became the president of the United States.
...but itls clear the Trumpers have gone in the other direction.......
I don't see that at all. I see Trump promoting nothing other than colorblind meritocracy.
they want to favor whites applicants. Hesgrath, in parituclar, has all but said in so many words he wants only Whites in the US Military.
[citation needed]
 
In education, government, business, and wherever else DEI was deployed, it wasn't just wasteful, it was destructive. Student test scores tanked, business suffered losses, the most promising up-and-coming scientists forced to move abroad to find jobs, and a complete airhead nearly became the president of the United States.
Citation required, because literally all evidence so far has pointed in the opposite direction. And a corrupt, incompetent, criminal actually became President.
I don't see that at all. I see Trump promoting nothing other than colorblind meritocracy.
Well, yes, when your automatic assumption is that white men are better, you won't be able to see anything but a "colorblind meritocracy" when white men are favored.
 
In education, government, business, and wherever else DEI was deployed, it wasn't just wasteful, it was destructive. Student test scores tanked, business suffered losses, the most promising up-and-coming scientists forced to move abroad to find jobs, and a complete airhead nearly became the president of the United States.
He did become president of the United States, and holds that position even as we write. He filled his cabinet with airheads, fired many competent people whose gender or skin color offended bigots who assumed they got their jobs because of DEI, and set out to defund scientific research, forcing many scientists to move abroad to find jobs.

I don't see that at all. I see Trump promoting nothing other than colorblind meritocracy.
:sdl:

In a meritocracy, Pete Hegseth does not become Secretary of Defense, RFK Jr does not become Secretary of Health and Human Services, Kristi Noem does not become Secretary of Homeland Security, Pam Bondi does not become Attorney General, Kash Patel does not become director of the FBI, Howard Lutnick does not become Secretary of Commerce, Linda McMahon does not become Secretary of Education, Lee Zeldin does not become Administrator of the EPA, Tulsi Gabbard does not become Director of National Intelligence, and a fellow who can't explain who pays the tariffs doesn't become Secretary of the Treasury.
 
In a meritocracy, Pete Hegseth does not become Secretary of Defense, RFK Jr does not become Secretary of Health and Human Services, Kristi Noem does not become Secretary of Homeland Security, Pam Bondi does not become Attorney General, Kash Patel does not become director of the FBI, Howard Lutnick does not become Secretary of Commerce, Linda McMahon does not become Secretary of Education, Lee Zeldin does not become Administrator of the EPA, Tulsi Gabbard does not become Director of National Intelligence, and a fellow who can't explain who pays the tariffs doesn't become Secretary of the Treasury.
There is nothing meritocratic about political appointments. That's why we call them political appointments.
 
Personally I'd see the Trump administration as the exact reason why DEI is needed.

If selected on actual merit Trump would have never advanced beyond some low level position as car salesman or something similar.
But due to the massive bias of the fact that his parents were able to have sex and were rich white people he got to where he is.

And now we get to watch the world burn because some total incompetent manchild was given the reigns to a massive military machine that had no method in place to deal with complete incompetents being given actual positions of power.
 
No political administration cares about meritocracy when it comes to political appointments. Hello?
Then why does the Trump administration and the rightisphere keep talking about meritocracy? Is it "one rule for me and one rule for thee"? Surely if meritocracy is valid it is always valid? Isn't that equitable?
 
Then why does the Trump administration and the rightisphere keep talking about meritocracy? Is it "one rule for me and one rule for thee"? Surely if meritocracy is valid it is always valid? Isn't that equitable?
You are not this dense. I refuse to believe you are this dense.
 
You are not this dense. I refuse to believe you are this dense.
Why is it dense to believe that merit should be universal?

Why is it dense to believe that desperately unqualified people like RFKJr, Pete Hegseth, and Kash Patel shouldn't be put in charge of portfolios that they should have no business controlling? Why is it dense to believe that these portfolios should be headed up by people competent to run them?

Why is it dense to believe that political appointments should be made on merit, and not cronyism? I don't think that's dense at all. I think that's sensible.
 
This was posted to another thread, but I think it deserves to be here too:


Notice how it is the mere use of the words "diversity", "equity", and "inclusion" that is being excised from documents. This isn't about banning programs that implement discriminatory policies under the guise of calling them "DEI". This is about banning all mention of diversity. All mention of equity. All mention of inclusion. You can't even talk about them. You can't use them in a sentence in federal documents.

The full article is, of course, paywalled, but I know for a fact that some people here can access it through their academic institution.
Actually it is a free for all article, but you do need to sign in. Apologies I hadn't realised as I just went straight to the full article, presumably I have a password or access from work stored that just gives me direct access to full text.
 
There is nothing meritocratic about political appointments. That's why we call them political appointments.
The question is whether some of these appointments should be political. Just because they are appointed by the POTUS doesn't mean e.g. director of FBI should be based on political beliefs. Nor should supreme court judges, or generals. it is usually possible to shortlist a group of people who are all potentially capable of doing a job, on merit. What then happens is bias comes in and people will choose someone they will be comfortable working with, usually someone like them, they feel they have someone in common with, someone from a similar background. People find it easy to justify their decisions, we know that people find it hard to be rational.
 

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