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Split Thread DEI in the US

When I gave a practical example of DEI that (as it seemed to me) wasn't performed under the aegis of AA, my example was disputed by two of this thread's participants:


If it were possible to take both @jt512 and @d4m10n seriously, my story would be an example of AA that has nothing to do with DEI.

It is true that an example of (1) AA that has nothing to do with DEI is not an example of (2) DEI that has nothing to do with AA. I believe my story fell into category (2). @jt512 and @d4m10n apparently think my story falls into category (1).

It is also possible that @d4m10n does not take @jt512 seriously, or vice versa. I'll leave that for them to sort out.
I think your story has to do with not enrolling cheaters, which has nothing to do with AA or DEI (well, arguably it's empirically anti-DEI (see, e.g., Claudia Gay)).
 
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How weird to believe that anyone who was wrong about anything at any time cannot be taken seriously.
It's not at all weird to think someone who is wrong about one particular thing cannot be taken seriously with respect to that one particular thing.

I guess I should have added a parenthetical (with respect to this one particular thing) to that sentence.

Apropos of nothing, however, I will go on to remark that it's not at all weird to think someone who is consistently wrong about all sorts of things cannot be taken seriously unless their position is supported by actual evidence.
 
"But are not limited to" is the missing clause there.
The claim I was addressing was the existence of "an example of AA that has nothing to do with DEI," so it's hard to see how adding that clause in should matter one way or another. If DEI is indeed the umbrella term (per the wiki) then any particular example of AA is also an example of DEI.
 
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It's not at all weird to think someone who is wrong about one particular thing cannot be taken seriously with respect to that one particular thing.
Personally I try to take my interlocutors seriously even when I suspect they are incorrect, but hey, you do you.

We can surely expect a diversity of approaches to engagement on this topic, after all.
 
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I think your story has to do with not enrolling cheaters, which has nothing to do with AA or DEI
From my understanding of the story, the changes made to the MS admissions process were not designed to detect cheating but rather to avoid unduly favoring a particular ethnic group so as to create more ethnic diversity in the program.
 
The claim I was addressing was the existence of "an example of AA that has nothing to do with DEI," so it's hard to see how adding that clause in should matter one way or another. If DEI is indeed the umbrella term (per the wiki) then any particular example of AA is also an example of DEI.

Isn't... isn't that, like, exactly what I said?
All affirmative action is DEI. Not all DEI is affirmative action.

But if you'd like to point out where I said that AA has "nothing to do" with DEI, please, go for it.
 
...if you'd like to point out where I said that AA has "nothing to do" with DEI, please, go for it.
Not every reply written here is a reply to you.
If it were possible to take both @jt512 and @d4m10n seriously, my story would be an example of AA that has nothing to do with DEI.
If we agree to treat DEI as the umbrella term (to include AA among other tools) then it follows that such examples cannot exist.
 
From my understanding of the story, the changes made to the MS admissions process were not designed to detect cheating but rather to avoid unduly favoring a particular ethnic group so as to create more ethnic diversity in the program.
Viewed that way, it is classic AA and DEI, since both discriminate against Asians.
 
Viewed that way, it is classic AA and DEI, since both discriminate against Asians.
If you're referring to Students for Fair Admissions v. HarvardWP in particular, yes.

I wouldn't go so far as to generalize to all Affirmative Action programs, however broadly or narrowly that idea is construed.
 
If you're referring to Students for Fair Admissions v. HarvardWP in particular, yes.

I wouldn't go so far as to generalize to all Affirmative Action programs, however broadly or narrowly that idea is construed.
DEI is definitely anti-Asian. DEI is founded on the oppressor-oppressed Social Justice dichotomy. For some reason, Asians are in the oppressor category (along with whites, Jews, and Israelis), and therefore are discriminated against. Traditional AA is also anti-Asian because it gives an advantage to blacks and Hispanics in what is typically a zero-sum game.
 
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Efforts to increase the diversity of any group of people requires identifying specific groups which are underrepresented and then taking some (affirmative) actions to remedy imbalances which are considered worth addressing. The example you gave doesn't seem to be about that, unless your institution was worried about having too few students of rural extraction.
No it doesn't. All it requires is to minimise some of the biases of people hiring people that we know exist in human behaviour e.g. in-group/out-group behaviour.
 
All it requires is to minimise some of the biases of people hiring people that we know exist in human behaviour e.g. in-group/out-group behaviour.
Minimizing bias only increases diversity in the event that a biased hiring process is the reason why certain groups are overrepresented compared to their share in the population at large. Overrepresentation of Asian Americans at elite schools such as Harvard and MIT is almost certainly not a result of pro-Asian bias in the admissions process, but rather due to the demographics of the applicant pool.
 
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Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth intervened to stop the promotions of several high-ranking service members including four Army officers, two Black men and two female soldiers, on track to become one-star generals, NPR has confirmed.

According to a U.S. official not authorized to speak publicly, Hegseth made the highly unusual move of interfering in the regular promotion process, as first reported in the New York Times. A second U.S. official also not authorized to speak publicly confirmed that Hegseth has been weeding out senior officers who are deemed ideologically incompatible.
 
If bigotry is the only possible reason to critically question DEI, then we need not discuss it any further.
 

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