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Defund NPR, PBS?

Once the actual proceedings began, yes.

Where did that goalpost go? Oh, over there! How did it get all the way over there?
But if you were looking for coverage of the Lewinsky affair in the Spring and Summer of 1998, you had to go elsewhere, as NPR gave scant attention to the topic that everybody was talking about. I remember because I was a longtime NPR listener, and I had to go elsewhere to find any coverage of the latest developments.

Once again context matters. The Lewinsky affair became quite a tabloid (and FOX News) hit, but until they actually began proceedings on it the government had seen multiple smear attempts against the president and even a couple of hearings based on smear campaign conspiracy theories. By the time Lewinsky's name began making the rounds these scandals were lacking in credibility and the blatant theatre of it all was a turn-off. I'm sure the editors over at NPR were quite chagrined when it turned out that the GOP had managed to actually catch Slick Willy on something finally, but to insinuate lack of coverage was due to some intentional attempt to hide coverage instead of all the scandal-hunting of the prior four years by the GOP causing them to miss the significance is attributing malice where there is no actual evidence of such. Once the significance of the case was clear, they covered it. Where's the cover-up?
 
Where did that goalpost go? Oh, over there! How did it get all the way over there?


Once again context matters. The Lewinsky affair became quite a tabloid (and FOX News) hit, but until they actually began proceedings on it the government had seen multiple smear attempts against the president and even a couple of hearings based on smear campaign conspiracy theories. By the time Lewinsky's name began making the rounds these scandals were lacking in credibility and the blatant theatre of it all was a turn-off. I'm sure the editors over at NPR were quite chagrined when it turned out that the GOP had managed to actually catch Slick Willy on something finally, but to insinuate lack of coverage was due to some intentional attempt to hide coverage instead of all the scandal-hunting of the prior four years by the GOP causing them to miss the significance is attributing malice where there is no actual evidence of such. Once the significance of the case was clear, they covered it. Where's the cover-up?
Well there was the Lewinsky cover up, and the total lack of coverage of the murder of Vince Foster by Hillary Clinton. I'm sure the "news source" settled on to replace the alleged dearth of Lewinsky coverage also covered that sordid affair adequately.

To suggest that any other radio program had better journalism at that time, or now, than NPR is ludicrous. The other choices ran the gambit from Rush to Paul Harvey.

Daredelvis
 
"the total lack of coverage of the murder of Vince Foster by Hillary Clinton."
You are a loony. Unless, I misunderstood what you said and you actually meant that Hillary didn't cover the murder, but since she wasn't a journalist...
Oh, damn, you were just jesting, right?
Nevermind.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0
 
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Would removal of funding for NPR mean that they can just run commercials instead of holding constant fund-drives? It makes me not want to donate knowing they're just going to need more in another 3-4 months. They take pauses - throw on a McD's commercial during it instead of the jazz-fusion.
 
"the total lack of coverage of the murder of Vince Foster by Hillary Clinton."
You are a loony. Unless, I misunderstood what you said and you actually meant that Hillary didn't cover the murder, but since she wasn't a journalist...
Oh, damn, you were just jesting, right?
Nevermind.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0

I'm a scientist, and I never get the commas correct. No, I'm not insane, I know Hillary is not a journalist. But I'm pretty sure she is a expert sky diver, as demonstrated by her escape from that plane after shooting Ron Brown in the back of the head.

Daredelvis
 
Would removal of funding for NPR mean that they can just run commercials instead of holding constant fund-drives? It makes me not want to donate knowing they're just going to need more in another 3-4 months. They take pauses - throw on a McD's commercial during it instead of the jazz-fusion.
It does get me to donate. My typical day during the pledge drive consists of, getting into the car and hearing the end of some interesting story and on to pledge drive. I then arrive at donut shop just in time for end of pledge break, and intro into next interesting item. Out of the shop now, and back into the car for fascinating extended review of the latest record from some boring indi-crap band, and then another pledge break just as I roll into work. That is why I normally bike in.

Daredelvis
 
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/10/demint-end-funding-for-npr-pbs/65012/

""Since 2001, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which funds programming for National Public Radio and the Public Broadcasting Service, has received nearly $4 billion in taxpayer money," said DeMint. "The country is over $13 trillion in debt and Congress must find ways to start trimming the federal budget to cut spending. NPR and PBS get about 15 percent of their total budget through federal funding, so these programs should be able to find a way to stand on their own. With record debt and unemployment, there's simply no reason to force taxpayers to subsidize a liberal programming they disagree with."


It's worth the 0.0003076923 percent of the debt it entails. (did I get the number right?).
Typical Fox and the right wing attitude. Fox is a biased news company. There is overwhelming evidence of that fact. Anyone firing someone who speaks out on Fox is not automatically firing someone with a valid opinion. Most of the Fox crew are lying party line toters.

Williams was a bit more honest among the staff. But NPR has a legitimate concern with any reporter/news analyst that speaks regularly on a right wing biased broadcast station. It's too bad Williams felt the need to ally himself with Fox. Because right wing political opinons are important to be heard, when they are legitimate and not just lying talking points campaign programs.


I donate money to any news source the right wing propagandists try to silence. Fox is a threat to freedom of VALID information.
 
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Well there was the Lewinsky cover up, and the total lack of coverage of the murder of Vince Foster by Hillary Clinton. I'm sure the "news source" settled on to replace the alleged dearth of Lewinsky coverage also covered that sordid affair adequately.

Q.E.D.

To suggest that any other radio program had better journalism at that time, or now, than NPR is ludicrous.

Indeed.
 
Where did that goalpost go? Oh, over there! How did it get all the way over there?


Once again context matters. The Lewinsky affair became quite a tabloid (and FOX News) hit, but until they actually began proceedings on it the government had seen multiple smear attempts against the president and even a couple of hearings based on smear campaign conspiracy theories. By the time Lewinsky's name began making the rounds these scandals were lacking in credibility and the blatant theatre of it all was a turn-off. I'm sure the editors over at NPR were quite chagrined when it turned out that the GOP had managed to actually catch Slick Willy on something finally, but to insinuate lack of coverage was due to some intentional attempt to hide coverage instead of all the scandal-hunting of the prior four years by the GOP causing them to miss the significance is attributing malice where there is no actual evidence of such. Once the significance of the case was clear, they covered it. Where's the cover-up?

1. The Lewinsky affair was recognized as serious very quickly. IIRC it made the mainstream newspapers about four days after the Drudge Report came up with it. You may have forgotten, but the story was actually broken by Newsweek reporter Michael Isikoff, but spiked by the editors over there. It was the biggest topic the following week on This Week with David Brinkley, and led 60 Minutes. It was a continuing saga all year long as the story came out in bits and pieces.

2. NPR covered the story initially, so you've mistaken my point. It's not that they were covering up anything. Indeed, they could not have covered it up because by that time reporters were all over the story. It's that NPR decided, after sufficient flack from their listeners, not to talk about it on their gabfests, like the Diane Rehm show and ToTN.
 
Does NPR reflect the views of the public or George Soros? He donated $1.8 million to hire 100 reporters for 50 of its radio stations.
First of all, what are the "views of the public"?

Second, does NPR reflect the views of their numerous corporate sponsors? I am sure that collectively the corporate sponsors of NPR that take place year after year far outweigh any one-time contribution by Soros. Why does that not bother you?
 
Yes, let's keep the country from falling any more backwards than we've been doing since the Democrats took over. Please help vote them out of office and send them back to the political wilderness from whence they came.

Bill Moyers, Terry Gross, even Garrison Keillor, the list goes on.
You're afraid of Keillor? Really? Garrison Keillor? The guy from Lake Wobegon? Do you check under your bed at night for monsters?
 
Well here is a solution...tax the hell out of the private stations to fund public broadcasting. I mean it isn't as if the private stations haven't been abusing the guidelines for years (counting entertainment programs as "educational", playing the required amount of PSA's for an entire day between the hours of 12:00am-1:00am) and have basically been handed over control of the limited number of channels available without much competition. So just make them pay more, and if they say they can't afford it then simply point out that they are complete liars.
 
Sesame Street is self supporting. The royalty income from "Tickle-Me Elmo" alone could pay for another 40 years.

Sesame Street doesn't need tax dollars.

Sesame Street could probably fund all of PBS with their stuffed robotic, talking, interacting muppet sales. Seriously. They were pulling in like $2 billion 15 years ago, last time I heard.
 
Whining about a supposed "liberal bias" on NPR is a tired characteristic of CONmen, its really quite pathetic. When I was a CON, I took it upon myself to listen to NPR and make my own decision. I found it in-depth, interesting, comprehensive and totally non-liberal. The reality of NPR did not match the demagoguery leveled at it by CONs. That realization was one of the first steps I took in my CON rehabilitation.
 
Well here is a solution...tax the hell out of the private stations to fund public broadcasting. I mean it isn't as if the private stations haven't been abusing the guidelines for years (counting entertainment programs as "educational", playing the required amount of PSA's for an entire day between the hours of 12:00am-1:00am) and have basically been handed over control of the limited number of channels available without much competition. So just make them pay more, and if they say they can't afford it then simply point out that they are complete liars.

Maybe they don't want to afford it. Maybe they don't want to be forced, under penalty of jail, to financially support viewpoints opposed to their own, which is a disgusting thing in a free society.
 
Reality has a liberal bias at the moment. If a news program does a good job, the people who are not happy with reality see bias where it does not exist.
 
There seems to be some conflation of terms in this thread. I'm not sure how much of it is unintentional, or how often, but it leaves me with the sense that some people are unclear just what or who they are complaining about.

The DeMint quote in the OP is a good starting example.

"Since 2001, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which funds programming for National Public Radio and the Public Broadcasting Service, has received nearly $4 billion in taxpayer money," said DeMint. "The country is over $13 trillion in debt and Congress must find ways to start trimming the federal budget to cut spending. NPR and PBS get about 15 percent of their total budget through federal funding,


This may or may not be true in a very technical and pedantic sense, but since the OP sparked a tirade of knee-jerk neo-con outrage against NPR, with a truly awesome and profoundly misleading overuse of the term "NPR station", it might deserve some review.

CPB
PBS
NPR
APM
PRI

public radio stations

These terms are not synonymous.

DeMint was mixing and matching quite a bit himself. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting receives about 15% or 20% of its budget from various Federal sources. This is true. Not all, or even most of that money goes to entities such as NPR.

National Public Radio receives about 1.5% of its ~$164 million/year budget from competitive grants from the CPB. Roughly $2.5 million. It gets no money directly from the Fed.

It could be argued that his statement was semantically defensible, but there is no question its intent was to distort and mislead. It seems to have worked, at least for the faithful.

NPR has no stations. It provides a distribution service for the affiliate member stations to select programing from. It produces only about 61 hrs. a week of in-house programming. All the rest, around 95% of the total they distribute, is produced by various other sources, generally the various affiliate stations themselves. (Link)

Morning Edition, The State of Things, and All Things Considered comprise the vast majority of that fraction of in-house programming.

So Brainster's observation ...

1. The Lewinsky affair was recognized as serious very quickly.

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2. NPR covered the story initially, so you've mistaken my point. It's not that they were covering up anything. Indeed, they could not have covered it up because by that time reporters were all over the story. It's that NPR decided, after sufficient flack from their listeners, not to talk about it on their gabfests, like the Diane Rehm show and ToTN.


... exemplifies this confusion. The Diane Rehm Show is produced by WAMU, the American University public radio station in Washington, DC. NPR doesn't decide what their content is going to be. NPR merely distributes it. Local affiliates choose separately whether or not to air it. Not all of them do.

There's an awful lot of public radio stations that carry mostly local broadcasting and only a mere few hours of actual NPR generated programing, or even NPR distributed programming. Recent trips from here through neighboring states made that very evident to me. Not all of the content that was political in nature was liberal. This was apparent in some of the less traveled parts of West Virginia, for example.

A tolerance for classical music was very helpful.

It's interesting to note that the most meaningful debacle concerning the CPB in recent years was a result of senior management making blatant efforts to skew the staff selection toward conservative sensibilities. CPB Chairman Ken Thomlinson had to resign in the face of evidence that he was means-testing on the basis of conservative credentials for such positions as President/CEO, as well as for the content of some programs, a violation of Federal statutory mandates for the CPB charter.

I wonder how outraged DeMint got about that particular failure of professional ethics?
 
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Maybe they don't want to afford it. Maybe they don't want to be forced, under penalty of jail, to financially support viewpoints opposed to their own, which is a disgusting thing in a free society.


I've long believed that tax returns should include an assignment section, where people could, if they so desired, itemize what percentage of their taxes they want to be assigned to which government services, and then let Congress allocate funding within those constraints.

At least for a while. After the unintended consequences set in from a general public misunderstanding of how much money is really spent on what things I expect that the fun would quickly be stifled.

Or maybe not. The experiment would certainly be interesting, and with today's data management technology it would be easy enough to implement.
 

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