Definition of "god"?

[learner]

God is; A pair of moving goalposts on an uneven playing field.

 

[Homeoproofer]

...cut...
God is nowhere else.

And because I see that it has been ever used to start fights and war againt other people caused by its duality, it is clear that god is not evel but it causes evil people...
This people think that they do good and forget about the good rules they got from their "god" who was just a prophet at all...

And this prophets - keep it simple!!!- have created the clever idea of god to use it for very certain things:

Just look at the main religions and you see it clearly:
Jesus came out of Juwish cultur and so it is no wonder that he had a god as the idea of the creator...

The romans were in the country and people were suffering ->there was the need of a good story which leads out of suffer...

Useless today for some people like us, but still very needed for the rest ...

Or they only think that they need out of a missing idea of something different and the FEAR!
"fearful cathlic"...the worst **** I ever heard !
The people fear the loving god?
What a pervert love is this?
Sado maso god maybe...but of course they have to fear that their loving god doesnt like them anymore...
This is vry good then ->they will keep on paying for their organisation !

The fear is to control the people
and the rules was for the people 200years ago who would have not had the motivation to do good without it- I think.
rules made the consience!

:Mohammed has known the jewish (or was it the christian one?) god also and improved it for his usage then...
people were following such "wise-talking" people there...
And interessting I think- that this is the god with the most FEARful believers...

Mohammed was a warrior(or is just the word soldier?)...
The faith that he made was useful to conquer othe countries...
And today?

But :
: Buddha?
Was born as hindu, but did not like it and tried to find the right think on his own behals and has started this out of a completely neutral point.
Its meaningful for me, that this had not the effect that he had the vidion of a god...
->And it is of course a fact that you HAVE illusions if you do what siddhartha Gautama has done...
No god- No war for it ever since buddhism exists as the much older religion compared to the other monotheistic religions!

"god" means control of people
and out of history it has to be clear that it leads to evil but not to salvation mostly!

God judges and this can never lead to eternity, as we all know that duality can never be eternal but will always collaps!

Learn out of this dear members of the forum please:
Do not judge others, it will bring you suffer only!
If you think it makes you happy or others are happy then, you make a foolish mistake"

No soul, explains nothing, not needed.
Paul

You need no sould, so you could sell it to me hä?
Have you been the one who tried to do so in ebay?

funny, but have you never heard about the hypnotrial where people have told about former lifes and exactly about cities or houses that they never visited before?
Easy to not believe...but with what advantage?
Think about the last minute of your life!

Wouldn´t you think about the next minute then?
Only that its too late then to do so...

You all should use the lifetime before already to think about it-
and not about things that have happend so long time before.

Learning out of it is ok, of course and positiv too...but every worry about the past is absolute complete nonsense!

What is it neceassary to know how the earth has been created?
The americans waste billions every year for this stupid **** and shoot rockets into space ,
but there are still humans who do not have to eat in this world!!!!

Or otherwise if you do not care about other hungry people, you could have a life without paying tax I guess...

I tell you what a monk told me about thinking the origin of the world:
it is not reasonable and to understand it there is a good example:
What will you do if you feel stone hitting your head?
Will you think at very first, who has throughn it at you?
NO! you will not look first for the direction were it came from, you will care about yourself at very fist, you will touch your head with your hand!

This should be something to think about it for you - a very intellectual task...
Thats your hobby I guess so you ´ll like it same as me?

You have to think about the future and no more about the past- you can´t change it anymore!
What do you want to think and think endlessly about the past to waste your time?

->Think about tomorrow and whow to do it better in the future!

If the people would not think about useless things, they would have time to solve the problems of the present time.

And if you need no god its fine for you, but let it for the people who need it-
explaining here why god doesnt exist ...what effect do you have if noone of you believes in him?

Everyone needs to understand with the own will, otherwise it produces ony conflicts.
This theoretical knowledge that you have is fine but too little in my eyes:
If you go deeper into a subject you can undderstand it, but otherwise you know nothing of everything for real and you have to discuss forever to end up one day with no conclusion.

God is a method
and you have wasted your time already tih it..my time too now - but it was just like an exercise in posting for me *hehe*

 

[Foster Zygote]

This theoretical knowledge that you have is fine but too little in my eyes:
If you go deeper into a subject you can undderstand it, but otherwise you know nothing of everything for real and you have to discuss forever to end up one day with no conclusion.

I'm assuming that English is not your primary language so forgive me if I've misinterpreted you as I find your posts difficult to follow.

What's wrong with ending up with no conclusion? Is it not better to admit that certain knowledge is presently beyond us, and that there are probably areas of knowledge that will always be beyond us, than to fabricate answers, however satisfying, and pretend that we have reached a conclusion?

 

[Foster Zygote]

funny, but have you never heard about the hypnotrial where people have told about former lifes and exactly about cities or houses that they never visited before?

What's funny to me is that most of these cases seem to involve children from poor families who suddenly remember that they used to be a member of a much wealthier family that lives nearby.

Easy to not believe...but with what advantage?

The advantage is that I am far less likely to be taken in by manipulative rogues if I choose not to believe things for which there is no real evidence.

Learning out of it is ok, of course and positiv too...but every worry about the past is absolute complete nonsense!

Why? Why is it nonsense to investigate the history of the universe? Are you affraid that you will not like the answers?

What is it neceassary to know how the earth has been created?
The americans waste billions every year for this stupid **** and shoot rockets into space ,
but there are still humans who do not have to eat in this world!!!!

People are not starving because of space exploration. Space exploration amounts to a tiny fraction of the U.S. budget. We could easily quadruple NASA's budget and feed the world at the same time. Blame wars, racism, isolationism, lack of caring etc. But don't pretend that science is using up all the resources we need to feed people.

Or otherwise if you do not care about other hungry people, you could have a life without paying tax I guess...

Really? What percentage of my taxes do you suppose are spent on such endeavors?

I tell you what a monk told me about thinking the origin of the world:
it is not reasonable and to understand it there is a good example:
What will you do if you feel stone hitting your head?
Will you think at very first, who has throughn it at you?
NO! you will not look first for the direction were it came from, you will care about yourself at very fist, you will touch your head with your hand!

So we shouldn't at any point begin to consider the source of the rock? Wouldn't knowing the source of the rock help us to avoid being hit by another rock? If I only touch my hand to my head and fail to search out the source of the rock, be it thrown or fallen, then the second rock might kill me.

This should be something to think about it for you - a very intellectual task...

Something to think about for about one second. The conclusion: Getting hit in the head by a rock and then choosing to stand there like a moron is a great way to get hit by more rocks.

You have to think about the future and no more about the past- you can´t change it anymore!
What do you want to think and think endlessly about the past to waste your time?

Some of us have the capacity to think about both. Some of us realize that understanding the past helps us to anticipate the future.

Let me relate another story that is at odds with what the aforementioned monk told you: A few hundred years ago the residents of a coastal fishing village were up early one morning preparing their boats and nets. Suddenly the sea began to recede from the shore. The astonished villagers ran after it, far out into the now exposed floor of the bay. One old man shouted after them to stop. But he was tending to their fields and too far away for them to hear him. So he set fire to the fields. The alarmed villagers saw their fields going up in flames and turned back from the receding waters. When they reached the old man and the burning crops high up on the hill they were both breathless and angry. They demanded to know why the old fool had burned their crops. But he simply pointed out to the bay. The villagers turned to see the sea rushing back with great force. It came all the way up the beach and destroyed their huts and boats. It crashed into the base of the hills on which they stood. The old man explained that he knew what was going to happen because his grandfather had seen just such a thing happen when he was a child. His knowledge of the past had proved very advantageous.

Think about tomorrow and whow to do it better in the future!

How to do it better than what? The past? If we don't understand what we've done right and wrong in the past how can we do better in the future?

If the people would not think about useless things, they would have time to solve the problems of the present time.

I agree. But I do not agree with your definition of "useless".

And if you need no god its fine for you, but let it for the people who need it-

Aren't we? But this is a place to discuss such things as the reality of gods. If those who need to believe in gods do not wish to read what we say then they are free to simply not come here.

explaining here why god doesnt exist ...what effect do you have if noone of you believes in him?

Again, your sentence structure is a bit difficult to parse.

 

[Paulhoff]

True words to learn from:

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it?

Very short vision:

Homeoproofer
What is it neceassary to know how the earth has been created?
The americans waste billions every year for this stupid **** and shoot rockets into space , but there are still humans who do not have to eat in this world!!!!

So, does the bible work for you on how the earth was created?
Please don't use anything listed at this site:
http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html
you know, stupid space stuff.
And how are your crops doing for those hungry people.

Paul



Most likely you never heard of the word "Serendipity".

 

[rocketdodger]

I tell you what a monk told me about thinking the origin of the world:
it is not reasonable and to understand it there is a good example:
What will you do if you feel stone hitting your head?
Will you think at very first, who has throughn it at you?
NO! you will not look first for the direction were it came from, you will care about yourself at very fist, you will touch your head with your hand!

The monk was wrong. Most intelligent humans will instantly start investigating the source and forming ideas about it -- most intelligent humans have learned that avoiding the next rock (wherever it came from) is far more important than tending to yourself.

 

[Foster Zygote]

The monk was wrong. Most intelligent humans will instantly start investigating the source and forming ideas about it -- most intelligent humans have learned that avoiding the next rock (wherever it came from) is far more important than tending to yourself.

That's pretty much the whole point to having a cerebral cortex.

 

[beeksc1]

Perhaps, "God" is a concept
Try to dispel preconceived notions that pertain to our Creator as a typical image of Christianily and conceptualize an entity that represents the divine presence in our universe
Like, god could be a quality that exists within every living being; perhaps, god is the essence that pursues freedom, compassion, and one love

On a broader note -
What do these words mean?

Love
Compassion
Integrity
Knowledge
Wisdom
Comprehension
Consciousness
Inspiration
Acknowledgement
Actualization
Intelligence
Enlightenment
Truth
Essence

What are these words are getting at?
Definition of Intelligence:

1. (uncountable) Capacity of mind, especially to understand principles, truths, facts or meanings, acquire knowledge, and apply it to practice; the ability to learn and comprehend.
2. (countable) An entity that has such capacities.
3. (uncountable) Information, usually secret, about the enemy or about hostile activities.
4. (countable) A political or military department, agency or unit designed to gather such information.

Further, brothas (such as Pac) from the west side acknowledge the original life giving force and orient the concept into his beats...

"God bless the dead & buried *****
Don't worry if you see God first tell Him **** got worse
I ain't mad, I know you're representin the crew
And I can picture you in Heaven with a blunt & a brew" ~Pac

"God
When I was alone, and had nothing
I asked for a friend to help me bear the pain
No one came, except God" ~Pac

And most other hip hop artists orient our essential being into their tracks/tunes:

Public Enemy - Welcome to the terrordome

"Never question what I am God knows
Cause it's comin' from the heart...

When I get mad
I put it down on a pad
Give ya somethin' that cha never had controllin'
Fear of high rollin'
God bless your soul and keep livin'" -Chuck D

Fear of high rollin' ... hmmmm

And there tons more, bonez, a tribe called quest, nas (one love) and the other hip hop artists who include a description of "God" seemingly never ends

Oh and we cannot forget the heart of reggae.

Ever listen to Peter Tosh, Bob Marley, Black Uhuru, Groundation (representin'), Soldiers of Jah Army, etc?

Have you heard? The subsequent messiah might have returned? And guess what, the brothas not white. "The Rastafari movement (also known as Rastafari, or simply Rasta) is a new religious movement[1] that accepts Haile Selassie I, the former Emperor of Ethiopia, as God incarnate, called Jah[2] or Jah Rastafari. He is also seen as part of the Holy Trinity as the messiah promised in the Bible to return."

-Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari
Give praise to Jah!
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalms 68:4-68:4&version=9

And some people who believe in atheistic evolution mean to say they go beyond o) all the cultures, celebrations, and creative expressions that pursue an expansion of the human experience?

So that person would approach a Shaman (which literally means - he or she knows) and attempt to convey that theistic evolution was not how it happened?

Paul Mooney says the white man is the boldest creatures on this planet

but to doubt the essential being that exists within every living being seems to surpass audacity and crawl into a realm that breeds sheer stup...

This message realizes that an individual has the freedom to believe in whatever he may wish; whether the person believes in spirituality or places a belief in atheism.

Perhaps, our body is a vehicle that essentially collects experience for the divine mind...

Please, do not take this message in an incorrect way; a person can go his/her worldly life without acknowledging the presence of our original life giving force and still make it to the unified "pool" of consciousness; it is not like the world will end. You can form your own mentality.

It is your worldly right!

And of course modern (western) science cannot confirm the existence of the supernatural realm. Is not the beauty of of our essence?

Perhaps, "god" or our Creator / the original life giving force is like a vibe; maybe the concept we are referring to, can only be felt and experienced through the individuated level.

Perhaps, the original giver of life is like the rhythm of music; it cannot be scene; but it can def be felt and experienced

If a person denies the existence of divine powers in our universe: that person must ask themselves the questions,

"do I enjoy to dance?"

For all the peeps who believe in atheism, do you play music or do you dance on a regular basis?

Is there a correlation among an acknowledgment of the divine forces in our universe and a passion to dance and share the wonders of rhythmic music?

And btw, people who have called themselves atheists are some of the "hippest/coolest" people I know

Peace ~beeks

Whatever you say.

Really?
Was hoping someone might challenge it in a respectful and peaceful way. well, fair enough, ya'kno

Swim just thinks it is interesting that all ancient cultures collectively danced and expressed their culture through song and dance; and most ancient cultures praised a higher power. just saying there might be a correlation among the two factors

Is this meant as a clever cutting response?

good call, Swim has this tendency to put a superfluous 'a' in the word clever

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Definition of "god"

the spiritual fabric that connects all life, past and present

 

[Piggy]

Really?
Was hoping someone might challenge it in a respectful and peaceful way. well, fair enough, ya'kno

Challenge what?

That post wasn't coherent. I couldn't imagine how to respond to it.

I'm not saying your ideas aren't coherent, maybe they are, but the post was something I just couldn't follow, so I don't know what your ideas are at this point.

Swim just thinks it is interesting that all ancient cultures collectively danced and expressed their culture through song and dance; and most ancient cultures praised a higher power. just saying there might be a correlation among the two factors

All ancient cultures pooped. All ancient cultures told gossip. All ancient cultures laughed.

There might be a correlation between any 2 factors you can name.

Is there a reason to look at this thing and that thing and see a particular connection? That's where it gets interesting. Although lots of times the connection vanishes on inspection.

Definition of "god"

the spiritual fabric that connects all life, past and present

1. What does "spiritual" mean?

2. Why do you believe that there is a fabric connecting all life, past and present?

 

[beeksc1]

yea that post was a kinda all-over-the-place... ubiquitous

but then a person would have to look at the relationship between people who do not dance / play music and their orientation toward transcendental notions; then compare those numbers with the analysis that came from the relationships between dance and orientation toward transcendence... then one would have a more accurace picture

spirit refers to the essential being of a living creature; the soul
the soul is aspect of consciousness that presumably survives bodily death
the spirit / soul is the essence of our being; the consciousness that has the ability to go beyond the physical constructs of space and time

I acknowledge / believe that all life is connected for many reasons
books
Doctors of physics, astrology, etc and most of the behavioral sciences who convey that empiricism is only beginning to catalogue the true nature of humanity.
quantum mechanics is now showing that the act of measurement can alter the phenomena that is being quantified; meaning, observation interacts with reality
historical cultures
also, I have experienced some of the most profound states of consciousness that are known and those experiences opened my mind to the broader picture, just as many wise cultures have done before us.
I seek the truth.
the existence of compassion, beauty, and love

divinity is like the wind or the rhythm of the music; people cannot see it; but we can feel and know the effects.

There are only two basic emotions fear and love; perhaps, people who believe in atheism are fearful of what proceeds life on Earth. maybe not, could be a host of factors; but more times than not, people who doubt our interconnectedness (somehow) formulated their perspective through states of fear.

and people who recognize this often convey that:
all is one
life has purpose
god is love

and it is not like people who believe in a higher force are any more important than people who believe that life on Earth is the only means of existence; it is that duality thing; yin and yang

good questions; sorry if my perspective appears to be a little strong; i respect differing perspectives. freedom seems like the highest principle concern; thus, it is great that people have the freedom to shape any peaceful perspective they want. no matter a person's orientation toward spiritual concerns; all people should try to coexists in a peaceful way.

Why would beauty and love exist, if atheistic evolution was how it happened?

peace

~beeks

 

[Piggy]

Sorry, beeks. I can't reply to stuff like that. Just can't.

 

[six7s]

God®™ is the most fantastic invention, ever!
Easy to use and available in a wide variety of sizes and flavours to suit all budgets
Simply apply to ANYTHING and your God®™ will expand to fill ANY and ALL holes in your logic, understanding, anything at all!

Denial of what is inside of you and all around us?

Which bits do you think I am denying?

Like, god could be a quality that exists within every living being; perhaps, god is the essence that pursues freedom, compassion, and one love

If we deny this, so what? Or, rather, what are the benefits of acknowledging it? And, for whom?

Definition of Intelligence:
<snip/>

...a person can go his/her worldly life without acknowledging the presence of our original life giving force and still make it to the unified "pool" of consciousness; it is not like the world will end. You can form your own mentality.

It is your worldly right!

Well, that's nice

However, it raises more questions than it answers

If that god thing that you postulate actually exists "within every living being", are there benefits to be realised for organisms with lower levels of intelligence, e.g.

• Orangutans
• Bears
• Dogs
• Cats
• Bats
• Rats
• Reality TV hosts
• Gnats
• Cockroaches
• Creationists
• Vegetables
• Fungi
• Bacteria

And of course modern (western) science cannot confirm the existence of the supernatural realm.

Ain't it a drag the way "modern (western) science " limits itself to reality?

If a person denies the existence of divine powers in our universe: that person must ask themselves the questions

Must?

What are the penalties if we don't?

 

[articulett]

Doctors of Astrology??

Life is all connected... we have proven this via DNA-- but there is no evidence of any sort of invisible consciousness-- consciousness appears to be entirely dependent upon and produced in material brains.

And there is no such think as a doctor of astrology. You may be coherent to yourself Beeksc1, but I don't think anyone else is following.

We are all familiar with the idea that god must be true if lots of people have believed in gods-- the problem is that gods and "magic" seem to be common ways humans explain things until they get a better explanation. Gods made lightening before we understand what did. Also, eons of humans believed the earth was flat-- that doesn't mean it ever was. We understand why they would perceive such a thing-- but we also know why it was never so.

The same appears to be true of gods. We have a pretty good idea about why humans engage in magical thinking... we have not actual reasons to imagine that any such "magic" or divine things or supernatural entities exist.

Sure, you can call god "love" and use it to say that god exists... but it's like the Abraham Lincoln quote: How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.

If you have an argument that is more profound than that, it has not been communicated. I imagine I sounded similarly back in my new agey days, so don't take offense. If you want to become a better communicator and skeptic, the first step is knowing where you are failing. We have many here you can learn from--but you are unlikely to learn if you presume that you already know all and that it is us who have something to learn from you. There may be stuff to learn from you-- but it may not be the things you feel inspired to teach us... and we cannot learn much until you are clearer.

 

[beeksc1]

Sorry, beeks. I can't reply to stuff like that. Just can't.

It is all good; care to share why? And if not, that is all right too.

If that god thing that you postulate actually exists "within every living being", are there benefits to be realised for organisms with lower levels of intelligence, e.g.
Ain't it a drag the way "modern (western) science " limits itself to reality?

Perhaps that is not the most accurate portrayal of what is going on.
Empiricism limits itself to the quantifyable constructs of reality, not reality itself. There is a world of difference. Did not Einstein's Relativity show that quantifyable reality only takes shapes while the phenomena is being measured?

Suppose, two people are at a park. They walk home and discuss their experience at the park. One person says "wow it seemed like we were at the park for a longer amount of time than that."
and the other person replies, "really, it felt as if, we left the park, as soon as were arrived."

"objectively" they were there for the same amount of time; but the two of them shared different experiences. time and space are constructs of reality; quantifyable reality can only take place through observation;

Doctors of Astrology??

Life is all connected... we have proven this via DNA-- but there is no evidence of any sort of invisible consciousness-- consciousness appears to be entirely dependent upon and produced in material brains.

And there is no such think as a doctor of astrology. You may be coherent to yourself Beeksc1, but I don't think anyone else is following.

Sure, you can call god "love" and use it to say that god exists... but it's like the Abraham Lincoln quote: How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.

If you have an argument that is more profound than that, it has not been communicated. I imagine I sounded similarly back in my new agey days, so don't take offense. If you want to become a better communicator and skeptic, the first step is knowing where you are failing. We have many here you can learn from--but you are unlikely to learn if you presume that you already know all and that it is us who have something to learn from you. There may be stuff to learn from you-- but it may not be the things you feel inspired to teach us... and we cannot learn much until you are clearer.

my bad, astronomy

CLE827 - Various1 - 2012 Panel - Ancient Prophecy Pt1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=191311799110926539&q=2012&ei=dViBSICaJoWI4QKMw7z5DQ

Relativity and the quantum mechanics that followed have shown, over and over again, that the act of measurement interacts with the phenomena, which is being counted (most times the influence is so minute that the results are not skewed; but observation plays a part within and throughout the reality we experience)

the empiricist is measuring a construction of reality; the empiricist cannot measure the nature of reality because the energy of matter form qualities when observation is taking place. concerning the true nature of reality. because as mentioned, the observer plays some sort of role in the construction (or experience) of reality.

When matter is not being observed, the physical components of the matter still exist. But it is only matter, which is shapeless and is arranged non-locally (the unobserved matter lacks a focal point); matter is not reality. Matter is simply the building blocks (space) for reality to take place within and throughout. when observation takes place, reality is shaped through matter .

So Measure love; measure states of affective states; measure how a musical composition sounds to the observer. (and I am not referring to measurements toward neurochemical activity that produces those states); measure the experience of love

And if the experience of love cannot be measured, does that mean it does not exist?

Brother man, I dig and study empiricism; and the scientific method, reliability, validity, generalizability very revolutionary ideas and standards; but (at this point) science is incomplete; and science is cool because it is definitely meaningful

Why would research still continue, if humanity has explained all the phenomena that have ever been experienced by humankind?

The existence of higher realms of reality (at this time) cannot show adequite evidence to confirm its existence; then again, a lack of evidence does not rule-out its existence. it is that falsifiability thing

How could beauty and love exist, if all of life were truly independent?
How is an inner experience (such as compassion) measured?

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The perspective about god; ok, there is always going to be a wide variation. But the notes on matter, observation, and reality... ; the ideas might seem incoherent, if you are unfamiliar with quantum mechanics...
(Might not be worded to your liking; but the basics are there)
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Nonlocality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-local#cite_note-aspect-0

Einstein in Quantum Mechanics and Reality

The following idea characterises the relative independence of objects far apart in space (A and B): external influence on A has no direct influence on B; this is known as the Principle of Local Action, which is used consistently only in field theory. If this axiom were to be completely abolished, the idea of the existence of quasienclosed systems, and thereby the postulation of laws which can be checked empirically in the accepted sense, would become impossible.

Principle of Locality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_locality

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Matter is the building blocks of the external world. The qualities of matter that lack observation are shapeless. The energy of the unobserved matter is non-local and moves at super-high rates. The non-local arrangement lacks a focal point.
Observation is the construction of perceptual experiences. Observation is the element that shapes the qualities of matter into a local form, where the energy of the matter slows down the atomic-arrangement into a state that is more focused. Observation shapes a focal point for the energy of the external world.
Reality is shaped through the interactions among the energies of matter and observation.

The empiricist is quantifying constructions of the reality that he/she helps to shape.
A removal of observation leaves shapeless (ambiguous) forms of energy, which is the matter of the external world.
The shapeless matter of the external world (which lacks observation) cannot be measured (if you will) because the energy has no form and the unobserved matter is arranged in a non-locally. The energy lacks a focal point.

In order for a qualitative arrangement of quanta and its atomic counterparts, the energy of matter requires observation.
Observation assembles the quanta and likewise energies into a concentrated state, which is known as reality.
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peace

~beeks

 

[six7s]

If that god thing that you postulate actually exists "within every living being", are there benefits to be realised for organisms with lower levels of intelligence, e.g.
Ain't it a drag the way "modern (western) science " limits itself to reality?

Perhaps that is not the most accurate portrayal of what is going on.
Empiricism limits itself to the quantifyable constructs of reality, not reality itself. There is a world of difference. Did not Einstein's Relativity show that quantifyable reality only takes shapes while the phenomena is being measured?

Suppose, two people are at a park.

Suppose you just answer my simple, straightforward questions

Until you do I will assume that your 'god thing that you postulate actually exists "within every living being"' is simply a figment of an over-active imagination

They walk home and discuss their experience at the park. One person says "wow it seemed like we were at the park for a longer amount of time than that."
and the other person replies, "really, it felt as if, we left the park, as soon as were arrived."

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There's even a saying: 'time flies when you're having fun'





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Given your apparent affinity for phrases like "Did not Einstein's Relativity show that quantifyable reality only takes shapes while the phenomena is being measured?", you might like to read what has been inspired by NYU Physics Professor Alan Sokal

Enjoy

The Discourse of Economy: Dialectic rationalism, Marxism and posttextual cultural theory

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4. Narratives of economy

If one examines dialectic rationalism, one is faced with a choice: either reject the subsemioticist paradigm of consensus or conclude that expression is a product of communication, but only if Baudrillard’s critique of the neocapitalist paradigm of expression is valid; if that is not the case, sexuality is capable of social comment. The premise of dialectic rationalism implies that the goal of the artist is deconstruction, given that reality is interchangeable with art. However, the main theme of the works of Gaiman is not narrative as such, but neonarrative.

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PS

Please do feel free to answer my questions...

They ain't tricky...

Unless the answers are 'lies, lies and more lies'

 

[beeksc1]

^ Weak sauce. Lame. No substance.

So you expect other's to answer your questions when you do not do the same?
Double standard

No it not a drag that empiricism measures the constructs of reality; people who are distractions are possibly a drag

Matter, observation, reality

Matter is the building blocks of the external world. The qualities of matter that lack observation are shapeless. The energy of the unobserved matter is non-local and moves at super-high rates. The non-local arrangement lacks a focal point.
Observation is the construction of perceptual experiences. Observation is the element that shapes the qualities of matter into a local form, where the energy of the matter slows down the atomic-arrangement into a state that is more focused. Observation shapes a focal point for the energy of the external world.
Reality is shaped through the interactions among the energies of matter and observation.

The empiricist is quantifying constructions of the reality that he/she helps to shape.
A removal of observation leaves shapeless (ambiguous) forms of energy, which is the matter of the external world.
The shapeless matter of the external world (which lacks observation) cannot be measured (if you will) because the energy has no form and the unobserved matter is arranged in a non-locally. The energy lacks a focal point.

In order for a qualitative arrangement of quanta and its atomic counterparts, the energy of matter requires observation.
Observation assembles the quanta and likewise energies into a concentrated state, which is known as reality.

Quantum Theory Demonstrated: Observation Affects Reality (ScienceDaily)

ScienceDaily (Feb. 27, 1998) — REHOVOT, Israel, February 26, 1998--One of the most bizarre premises of quantum theory, which has long fascinated philosophers and physicists alike, states that by the very act of watching, the observer affects the observed reality.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/02/980227055013.htm

So, beauty, love, god, quantum phenomena

 

[six7s]

^ Weak sauce. Lame. No substance.

Perhaps... but your trite response illustrates that you lack the skills necessary to evaluate a source

So you expect other's to answer your questions when you do not do the same?
Double standard

Huh?

The only sentence with a question mark in the waffle you posted in response to me was "Did not Einstein's Relativity show that quantifyable reality only takes shapes while the phenomena is being measured?"

Subsequent re-reading suggest that it was merely a bizarre mix of rhetoric and inanity

No it not a drag that empiricism measures the constructs of reality; people who are distractions are possibly a drag

Matter, observation, reality

Nonsense, dreams, bollocks

Quantum Theory Demonstrated: Observation Affects Reality (ScienceDaily)

ScienceDaily (Feb. 27, 1998) — REHOVOT, Israel, February 26, 1998--One of the most bizarre premises of quantum theory, which has long fascinated philosophers and physicists alike, states that by the very act of watching, the observer affects the observed reality.

This wasn't news in 1998

It ain't news now

So, beauty, love, god, quantum phenomena

So, stupidity, inanaity, woo, pseudo-science









Please note: I asked you a question before (if ever?) you asked one of me)

Common netiquette protocols suggest that you answer them before demanding answers to your Qs

Anyhoo... Please identify and perhaps rephrase the questions I missed and I'll do my best to answer them, honestly

 

[articulett]

six7's-- you troll feeder you! If you give them food they think they've found a new home, you know.

 

[six7s]

Awww... shuck's Mis's... it jus' follow'd me home 'n'all...

Can I giv'e it to the ca't?

 

[articulett]

Trolls are bad for cats--have you know respect for your feline friends?

You know the troll must always have the last word... just let them have it and be done with it...

I wish there was a way to get them to joust with each other... that would be great amusement for us all, wouldn't it. It would be sort of like an insane asylum where a bunch of people believed they were god!