Definition of Evil

Reckon I’d go with the Kantian view – to treat people as means rather than ends in themselves - that is, to fail to recognise the Other as a person whose right to consciousness and self-actualisation is exactly equal to your own regardless of what you personally might think of them – is evil.
 
If he doesnt know, then there is only two possibilities, (1) he is not man (2) he is out of his mind --- crazy, etc.

I think you misunderstand me. A murderer kills a random man, who by pure coincide had a secret death wish.

ETA: or maybe the victim had plans to become a martyr for a cause he cared deeply about.
 
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i think evil is real. if a person murdered someone, that can be evil. or it is really evil. the intensity of evil is not dependent on how we percieve it to be.

What if the person being murdered was someone like Adolf Hitler at the height of his genocidal campaign against the Jews in WWII?
 
We already have a clinical terms for evil people: malignant narcissist or psychopath. If you want to understand the definition of "evil" just get to know such individuals.


Dern, I forget where the tutorial for the devil's advocate tags are.

As an exercise, I'm going to attempt to chip away at this.

Let's start in prison, with the classic psychopaths. How many have brain damage? According to the pop neurology I read sometimes, frontal lobe damage can be quite subtle to pick up--Antonio Damasio describes people who can converse normally, even wittily, but who no longer function responsibly. Add some temptation, and some prior abuse in the mix, and such people might act as psychopaths are supposed to act--outwardly charming, but amoral.

I've even seen some psychiatrists argue that *most* criminal activity is a result of abuse and factors which cause poor impulse control.

We don't say that snakes or feral dogs are evil.

Also, there are the famous Milgram and Stanford Prison experiments. One seemed to show that a majority of people would do Bad things if told to do so by an authority figure, the other seemed to show that dehumanizing conditions would cause people to abuse each other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

eta: Technological mediation is a very common way that people don't act humanely toward one another--examples being anything from cars to the Internet to the technology of modern warfare.

The definition of sociopath or psychopath is notoriously slippery. It's a checklist. Most people who would be considered to meet the criteria don't display all the features described on the checklist. Social mores have changed over time.

It used to be that most beatniks and rock musicians would have been considered sociopaths (Robert Hare uses the two words "sociopath" and "psychopath" differently). Now Keith Richards is considered sort of lovable by many.

One culture might prize bravery, boldness, strength, and skill. But things are different here in service-industry America in the 21st century.

The 9/11 terrorists weren't psychopaths by any definition, but most of us in America consider their actions evil.

But from their own perspectives, they were heroes.

I'm suggesting that most of what we consider evil is not the doing of people we would consider psychopaths, and that some high percentage of people we would consider psychopaths have some kind of brain damage because of accidents, parental abuse, or drug and alcohol abuse.

However, taking off my devil's advocate horns, for a second, I'm thinking of how even someone like Robert Hare speaks with a kind of awe at how he was fooled by charming, manipulative, incorrigible prison inmates.


Evil are the people who fail entirely to play by our rules, who seem outwardly normal, but the French have that saying: "To understand is to forgive."

Tout comprendre, c'est tout pardonner. Only God is capable of this, apparently.

What was my point? Not sure I had one, after all. Oh, yes. It's squishy.
 
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What if a small evil act is the only way to prevent a bigger evil act ? Is that allowed ?
I dont know, I am not an expert to this... I am not a philosopher, neither Theologian.... dont push me too hard. i am only sharing my opinion... in layman's term. how about you what is your stand?
 
Evil - that which harms the legitmate interests of others out of all proportion to the benefits accruing to the legitimate interests of its performers.
 
My suspicion is Hitchens sees Graham as evil for pushing people to something he likely doesn't believe himself. And Graham would see Hitchens as evil for "pushing' people to something he does believe himself.

You might want to watch--it goes way beyond pushing people to believe what he does, it's about the hypocrisy and lies and the fact that he knows he's selling lies, but he's got a business to run. Oh, and the anti-semitism thing.
 
Thanks to all who responded. I posted last night before I went to bed and did not expect so many responses by this morning.

Evil is arbitrary. It's not real, except in stories which really on archtypes, which seem to be a very pure sort of aesthetic concept. These archtypes pervade into our every day lives as we romanticize life out of an appreciation we have for aesthetic concepts, which comes from morality I'd say in many ways. Morality being something evolved out of living in groups and finding a lot of success in grouping. The things which most offend us, the purest concepts of harm and selfishness.

I don't think evil is entirely arbitrary. There do seem to be some universals. Murder of others without justification for example. But, on the whole, I agree. Hitchens calling Graham evil or being called evil by others seems arbitrary to me.

I think that there is a problem with your definition: not all evil people operate at the level you are describing. Some are just individually evil, not evil because of their effect on a culture.

An example would be Charles Manson. I consider him evil, but don't see where he would fit in your definition. He influenced a few people, but I don't think he could be considered to have moved a common culture in a direction I don't like.

So to me it seems your definition is incomplete. There needs to be more to allow for individual evil. I hope I made sense, I feel I'm not explaining very well, sorry.

You have expressed yourself quite well. I agree it is incomplete in that regard. I'm just not sure how to include that in the definition.

Evil - that which harms the legitimate interests of others out of all proportion to the benefits accruing to the legitimate interests of its performers.

While this definition makes sense in regards to what FattyCatty was talking about with individuals who don't have much influence on others but commit horrendous acts, I don't think it applies to Christopher Hitchens or Billy Graham. What have they done to harm the legitimate interests of others? They write books and give speeches promoting their preferred point of view.
 

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