Defining narcissism...Bill O'Rielly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P7mwNI6QMY

Great moments in Television....Bill O. asks guest for deffinition...needless to say no hint of irony or recognitionn.

She just defined everyone on Fox News, almost the entire Republican Party, the mainstream media who are enabling the Republicans out of laziness and their embrace of their elite status, plus those Democrats who play along with all of that in order to maintain the status quo.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P7mwNI6QMY

Great moments in Television....Bill O. asks guest for deffinition...needless to say no hint of irony or recognitionn.
That's pretty damn funny. I have always halfway suspected that this O'Reilly person is a character created by Bill O. that he has inhabited so deeply and completely that even he can't distinguish between the real Bill and the character Bill. Sort of like performance art taken to most extreme. I am inclined to believe that Bill deliberately created this media personality who is obviously outlandish and deliberately offensive to many people - myself included.

I also feel like there really is no real Bill O. and that the stances and positions he takes are carefully calculated. I suspect the real Bill, to the extent there is one, has no real strong feelings about anything. To me he is more or less the equivalent of Morton Downey Jr. and is so deeply submerged in the facade he has created that there is no way out for him even at a personal level.

I remember seeing an interview with Jenna Jameson (that porn girl) where she talked about being interviewed by Bill and he called her a slut and a whore and did his usual Bill O. routine and that when it was over and off camera he talked to her jovially and in a friendly way and he hadn't ever seen any of her movies but would like to get some or something to that effect. Clearly, the person Bill O'Reilly, that we see on TV is not a normal person. I just am not sure how much of it is calculated.
 
That's pretty damn funny. I have always halfway suspected that this O'Reilly person is a character created by Bill O. that he has inhabited so deeply and completely that even he can't distinguish between the real Bill and the character Bill. Sort of like performance art taken to most extreme. I am inclined to believe that Bill deliberately created this media personality who is obviously outlandish and deliberately offensive to many people - myself included.

I also feel like there really is no real Bill O. and that the stances and positions he takes are carefully calculated. I suspect the real Bill, to the extent there is one, has no real strong feelings about anything. To me he is more or less the equivalent of Morton Downey Jr. and is so deeply submerged in the facade he has created that there is no way out for him even at a personal level.

I remember seeing an interview with Jenna Jameson (that porn girl) where she talked about being interviewed by Bill and he called her a slut and a whore and did his usual Bill O. routine and that when it was over and off camera he talked to her jovially and in a friendly way and he hadn't ever seen any of her movies but would like to get some or something to that effect. Clearly, the person Bill O'Reilly, that we see on TV is not a normal person. I just am not sure how much of it is calculated.
You misinterpreted that...

O'Reilly wasn't being a jerk to Jenna Jameson on camera as part of his TV persona, and then his more normal nice guy self off-camera. When the camera was off, he slipped into his "more normal" sexual predator self. I doubt there was anything really "friendly" about his attempt to cozy up to a porn star.

I get the distinct impression that Bill O'Reilly isn't a normal person, period.
 
You misinterpreted that...

O'Reilly wasn't being a jerk to Jenna Jameson on camera as part of his TV persona, and then his more normal nice guy self off-camera. When the camera was off, he slipped into his "more normal" sexual predator self. I doubt there was anything really "friendly" about his attempt to cozy up to a porn star.

I get the distinct impression that Bill O'Reilly isn't a normal person, period.

Well, if he thought Jenna Jameson was hot, then he can't be that abnormal.
 
Correctly defined, isn't it? The parts of it that I'm able to hear and understand, that is. (My hearing is slightly impaired.)

“… is somebody who sees himself in a grandiose way, they have very little empathy for other people, the rules don’t apply to them, they have a sense of entanglement (?) that goes beyond anything that is (…?)
And you can put up a whole bunch of evidence of things that have come before them (…?)”


How does she end this last sentence? I am particularly interested in this part of it because of a pet theory of mine:
That narcissism is a major part of the problem of superstition.

Why don't quacks, for instance, the ones who are not in it for the money, try to prove that their alleged remedies actually work? If they actually cared for the well-being of their clients/patients, they would try to make sure that they really do help them. But they don't appear to be interested in actually helping other people. Instead they are interested in being recognized as the kind of people who help other people. The two things may sound similar, but they are actually very, very different, and, as we know on this forum, fatally so, sometimes.

Notice the similarity between this attitude and one of the very worst kinds of narcissism, Munchausen by proxy, also a killer:
http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchausen_Syndrome_by_Proxy

Would it help our cause if we came up with a name for this psychological disorder?
(And even though I would feel extremely recognized, I would not appreciate e.g. Dann by proxy!)

The attitude also is not very different from the one you find in people who are not really interested in making sure that their horoscopes or alleged conversations with the dead or with extra-terrestrials are actual phenomena.
 
This is about superstition and narcissism but not exactly what I’m talking about:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6669970

I am also not implying that scientists, for instance, cannot be narcissists, i.e. mainly interested in the recognition that they may receive if they make a new discovery rather than in expanding the field of knowledge. However, in order to be recognized as scientists their discoveries (usually) have to be real. Not so (on the contrary) in the field of superstition.
Narcissism may actually ruin the career of a scientist if he or she is too eager to publish doubtful discoveries: Benveniste, Fleischmann & Pons. (I’m not saying that narcissism was at the root of the blunders of these particular guys. I don’t know.)

And maybe this discussion belongs in another forum ...
 

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