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When you drag the 0 dimension object, what is the unit of movement, is it an ever reducing line segment?
I'm not familiar with the term "unit of movement." The google search for the possible existence and usage of that term didn't show any reference to it. But that doesn't mean that I can't answer your question. The unit of movement = 1 Drag.
 
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[SIZE=+1]Again I ask: Can we expect to see your bijections between the elements of {} and its power set and the elements of {A} and its power set any time soon, or have you given up on this fool's errand?[/SIZE]

I think I saw a clue to the requested bijection. So here it is:

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I'm not familiar with the term "unit of movement." The google search for the possible existence and usage of that term didn't show any reference to it. But that doesn't mean that I can't answer your question. The unit of movement = 1 Drag.

How long(its measurement) would the 1 Drag be?

I used "unit of movement" to describe the distance between the the original position of the 0 dimensional object and its position after the "1 Drag".
 
You still do not get that the answer to this non-trivial subject is not given by any one but you, sympathic.

Instead of doing the must have journey into your own mind in order to really deal with the considered fine subject, you are using only the reasoning that you are learning from others.

Enjoy your "running in circles in a closed box" game.

I am not one of its participators.
 
Wrong Doron you’re simply unable to get that it has nothing to do with “the irreducibility of a line segment into a point” nor any of your “parallel reasoning” “serial-only step-by-step reasoning” and “present continuous state” nonsense. Your “uncovered line segment” is your de-facto smallest line segment. So if you don’t have a smallest line segment you don’t have an uncovered one either.
The smallest uncovered line segment exists only in the case of finite amount of segments.

You simply demonstrate your inability to get the existence of an infinite amount of ever smaller sub-line segments (which are not completely covered by any possible amount of the smallest elements), exactly because you are forcing a notion taken from finite collections, on infinite collections.
 
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Hardly. The construction method you cherish so requires a bijection. As has been pointed out many, many times before, the required bijection does not exist. This is a point that you continue to evade.

Since you are unable to address that point, perhaps you could simply describe, step by step, this construction method. So far, all you have shown are examples in which you don't follow any set rules for construction. Instead, you claim to generate what you started with. It continues to be a lame feat.


No, you didn't. You stepped through some examples without actually following any stated rules for construction.


This was your assertion. You did not, cannot prove it to be true. And there's no point you even trying until you actually lay out the rules you are following.


Except, you haven't shown a single bijection, yet. Not one. You claimed there were bijections for finite sets between the set and its power set. So, where are the bijections for {} and for {A}? You claimed there were bijections for infinite sets between the set and its power set. You bumbled through some arbitrary "rounds" then claimed you'd succeeded. Yet, there was no bijection to look at and no proof it was a bijection.


Irrelevant. You claimed bijections existed between the members of any set and its power set. Bijections between the whole numbers and the even whole numbers is trivial and unrelated to the problem before you.



When you manage to actually to demonstrate your own ability to express a complete, non-trivial reasoned thought, your criticism of others may then carry some weight.


[SIZE=+1]Again I ask: Can we expect to see your bijections between the elements of {} and its power set and the elements of {A} and its power set any time soon, or have you given up on this fool's errand?[/SIZE]

Another example of what happens to a person that running in circles in a closed box.

1) He can't comprehend http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7030592&postcount=14791 (including its attached links).

2) He can't comprehend the following:

I show an explicit construction method of all P(S) members, without missing any one of them, which enables to define a function of one-to-one and onto between all P(S) members and all S members (where S is a proper subset of P(S)) exactly as shown, for example, between N members and the members of the set of even numbers (which is a proper subset of N), or between the members of set Q and set N (where N is a proper subset of set Q).

In general, I show the consistency of Dedekind’s definition of infinite sets on all infinite sets, without exceptional.

jsfisher's reasoning is too weak in order to comprehend http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7066349&postcount=14908
 
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You just expressed what you claimed “is itself beyond any expression”. So by your own assertion you must be wrong in that expression and once again you remain the staunchest opponent of just your own notions.
Your poor flat reasoning simply can't do the needed abstraction in order to get the simplest state of awareness, which is not a thought about the simplest state of awareness.

The Man, you are in a "good" company of noisy minds that can't get the silent state of awareness as the natural basis of any possible expression (mental, physical, etc...).

Without a direct perception of the the silent state of awareness as the natural basis of any possible expression (mental, physical, etc...), you have no way to understand it, and indeed again and again you try to get it at the level of expressions, and obviously misses it.

Such a noisy mind, which is trapped at the level of expressions, has no ability the understand the ever smaller AND the smallest, as the minimal expressions that stand at the basis of complex expressions.
 
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Again to have a smaller line segment means at least one point between the other two
Yet there are smaller line segments between any given amount of points that are located between any arbitrary closer pairs of points, where no one of the smaller line segments is reducible to a point.

Because of this irreducibility, no amount of points completely covers the amount of the irreducible line segments, which exists between them, ad infinitum ...

Your flat noisy mind simply can't comprehend the co-existence of (the irreducibility to the smallest) AND (the smallest) as the minimal expressions of any complex expression.
 
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The simplest state of awareness is not a thought, so no one can talk to himself at the simplest state of awareness.

You are the one talking to himself, aware of it or not. Replying to things no one asked, and ignoring things other do ask is something you are doing all along this thread, and normal people call it just that. You have chosen the perfect media for blabbering your nonsense. If your aim is to communicate you should respond to what people ask you when they do.
 
1. I'm curious about the presence of that confusion preventer "[base 10]."


2. Can you verbalize the inequality?

This is batter than only verbalize:

3.14159...[base 10] is the following endless fractal (exactly because on amount of locations can reduce any given line segment between the locations, into a point):

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etc ... ad infinitum, where 3.14159...[base 10] do not reaches pi location (marked by the green vertical line).
 
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Yet there are smaller line segments between any given amount of points that are located between any arbitrary closer pairs of points, where no one of the smaller line segments is reducible to a point.
Yes
Because of this irreducibility, no amount of points completely covers the amount of the irreducible line segments, which exists between them, ad infinitum ...

No.
 
"Nice" contradiction, zooterkin.
The contradiction is yours. The conclusion you reach is incorrect. Line segments are not reducible to a point because, by definition, they are delimited by two points. However, points do not exist only at the ends of line segments, they cover the line. You are failing to directly perceive infinity.
 
The contradiction is yours. The conclusion you reach is incorrect. Line segments are not reducible to a point because, by definition, they are delimited by two points. However, points do not exist only at the ends of line segments, they cover the line. You are failing to directly perceive infinity.
You are failing to directly perceive the co-existence of (infinitely many irreducible sub-line segments) AND (infinitely many points) along a line segment that exists between some pair of end points.
 
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You are the one talking to himself, aware of it or not. Replying to things no one asked, and ignoring things other do ask is something you are doing all along this thread, and normal people call it just that. You have chosen the perfect media for blabbering your nonsense. If your aim is to communicate you should respond to what people ask you when they do.
Please give some concrete example where I do not answer to some question, along this thread.
 
You are the one talking to himself, aware of it or not.

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The simplest state of awareness is an unbounded awareness, which is stronger than any awareness that is based on thoughts.

In other words, you are not aware of the simplest state of awareness.
 
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