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Quite right, 5 is not the immediate successor of 'h'. However, it is the immediate successor of [3,5) because that's what [3,5) means.
No, immediate successor has an exect meaning in Standard Math, which is:

Given x and y, y is an immediate successor of y iff x<y and there is no other element between x and y.

However, it is the immediate successor of [3,5) because that's what [3,5) means.

It is like saying: "True is actually false because that what true means."
 
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No, immediate successor has an exect meaning in Standard Math, which is:

Given x and y, y is an immediate successor of y iff x<y and there is no other element between x and y.


Please show where ‘immediate successor’ is defined that or any other way by any standard math reference.
 
Not so. The interval starts at 3 and includes all the numbers up to, but not including, 5. There will always be at least one value between any given number in the interval and 5.
"up to" is not involved here. You can ask jsfisher if you wish.
 
Here jsfisher defines set A such that any member of set A < some Y, and he wants to show that A has no largest member.

You belabor the obvious.

By this construction it is clear that Y is not a member of A

More obvious belaborment.

...otherwise Y is the largest member of A and we cannot prove that A does not have the largest member.

(intermixed with gibberish)

Since Y must not be a member of A

(Note the use of bold. Clearly this is important.)

and A's members are non-finite R members

(infinitely many, actually.)

that each one of them < Y, then A members are some non-finite R elements that exist in the clopen interval [W,Y), where W is the smallest member of A set.

No. And I'll bet just about everyone except Doron knows why his statement is just wrong.

Now jsfisher provides the assumption, which claims that the non-finite set A that is based on the clopen interval [W,Y)

Nope.

has the largest member called Z, which is a member of A set (and an element of [W,Y) interval).

Nope.

Here we clearly see the open side ",Y)" of the clopen interval [W,Y), that jsfisher claims that this clopen interval is not a part of his proof.

Yes, indeed. It is not part of the proof. It is just some bit of irrelevance Doron keeps trying to introduce.

But the fact is that Z is a member of A and < Y, exactly because we deal here with the clopen interval [W,Y).

Nope.

We can clearly see that since A has no largest member

Excellent!! You have accepted the proof as valid. Ok, then, we are done. Doron accepts that {X : X < Y} has no largest element.

Why'd it take so long?

then jsfisher claim ( see http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4721582&postcount=2864 ) that Y is the immediate successor of A set ( that its members are the elements of the clopen interval [W,Y) ), is a false claim.

Whoa! Talk about a leap of mush into unrelated nonsense.... There is no logical connection between this and anything that preceded it. (And even if there were, since the premises are false, the conclusion would be irrelevant.)

By the way, I never claimed what Doron claims I have claimed, nor does the set have its elements entirely in the half-open interval [W, Y).
 

Very good but one minor correction on your previous post.

No, immediate successor has an exect meaning in Standard Math, which is:

Given x and y, y is an immediate successor of y iff x<y and there is no other element between x and y.

* bolding added

The bolded Y should actually be X since the assertion is that Y in the immediate successor of X.

Now with that out of the way. please show an immediate successor of X in the real numbers as you have claimed based on the given requirement.
 
No, immediate successor has an exect meaning in Standard Math, which is:

Given x and y, y is an immediate successor of y iff x<y and there is no other element between x and y.

In this case, x is the interval [3, 5), and there is no other element between it and y, which is 5.

It is like saying: "True is actually false because that what true means."

No.
 
I made a typo mistake (as you have alreadt noticed) so here is the right one:

No, immediate successor has an exect meaning in Standard Math, which is:

Given x and y, y is an immediate successor of x iff x<y and there is no z such that x<z and z<y.
 
In this case, x is the interval [3, 5), and there is no other element between it and y, which is 5.
x and y must be of the same type. since y represent a single value, then x also represent (an arbitrary) single value in [3,5)
( [3,5) < 5 is gibberish ).
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Now with that out of the way. please show an immediate successor of X in the real numbers as you have claimed based on the given requirement.
I claim the opposite. Y is not an immediate successor of [X,Y), as jsfisher claims in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4721582&postcount=2864 .
 
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I made a typo mistake (as you have alreadt noticed) so here is the right one:

No, immediate successor has an exect meaning in Standard Math, which is:

Given x and y, y is an immediate successor of x iff x<y and there is no z such that x<z and z<y.

In the case of [3, 5), please tell me what lies between [3, 5) and 5.
 
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Yes, really. The proof showed that the set {X : X < Y} has no largest member. There was no half-open finite interval [X, Y) anywhere in the proof.
jsfisher,

Is Y is a mamber of set {X : X < Y}?

Please answer by yes or no.
 
x and y must be of the same type. since y represent a single value, then x also represent (an arbitrary) single value in [3,5)
You're making things up again. The immediate successor of [X, Y) is Y; because that's what [X,Y) means. There is no requirement for there to be a single value which is the immediate predecessor of Y.


I claim the opposite. Y is not an immediate successor of [X,Y), as jsfisher claims in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4721582&postcount=2864 .

What is the immediate successor of [X, Y), then?
 
jsfisher said:
By the way, I never claimed what Doron claims I have claimed, nor does the set have its elements entirely in the half-open interval [W, Y).
Please avoid your twisted games.

In http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4721582&postcount=2864 you clearly say:

"Y is in fact an immediate successor to [X,Y)".

This last long dialog is based on this claim.

If you claim now that your proof by contradiction has nothing to do with [X,Y), then it is not relevent to this dialog, that is based on your "Y is in fact an immediate successor to [X,Y)".
 
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