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*__* is a one form.

*__*__* is a one form.

*__*__*__* is a one form.

... *__* ... is a one form.

So, in regular lingo, * maps to TRUE and __ maps to =. And you've come to the astounding conclusion that
TRUE = TRUE = TRUE
and
TRUE = TRUE = TRUE = TRUE
and
... TRUE = TRUE ...

Wow, astounding. I think I'll go read G.E.B a E.G.B again. At least the author there points out such stupidity
 
So, in regular lingo, * maps to TRUE and __ maps to =. And you've come to the astounding conclusion that
TRUE = TRUE = TRUE
and
TRUE = TRUE = TRUE = TRUE
and
... TRUE = TRUE ...

Wow, astounding. I think I'll go read G.E.B a E.G.B again. At least the author there points out such stupidity
Don't blame others if you use MAFs in a non-interesting way.
 
This is exactly what MAF is, a form that has no meaning of its own, and can be used used for any purpose.

You mean it as a syntax without semantics. Yeah, I got that. My point is that the syntax itself -- the form -- is meaningless.

The syntax x _ y has meaning; your x _ y _ z does not have meaning (and * _ * _ * has less meaning than that, if such a thing were possible).
 
Doron seems a typical mathematical crank.

1). He's more or less completely ignorant of the fields he thinks his "work" is "contributing" to.

2). He defines the most basic terms in his "theory" (such as "enthropy") in idiosyncratic, home-made, cumbubrsome way that he himself sometimes misuses, and nobody else ever uses (this follows, of course, from his ignorance).

3). His "work" is mostly simply nonsense.

4). The part that isn't nonsense is a bunch of trivial mathematical claims, made to look "deep" (e.g., difficult to undestand) simply because he uses such non-standard and cumbursome definitions it takes forever to figure out what he's going on about. Once you figure it out, however, you quickly see it wasn't worth the effort.

5). Any criticism, no matter how much to the point, is met with personal attacks on the critic.

6). Suffers from delusions of grandeur, and shows signs of paranoia.

7). Demands other prove him wrong, instead of proving himself right.

...and so on.

I'm putting him on "ignore", as there's obviously no point to any discussion. The man will be convinced of his own greatness and amazing mathematical genius to the day he dies, and none of us can do a damn thing about it.

One word, though, as someone trained in both mathematics and philosopy, to those of you struggling to undestand him: don't bother. It isn't worth the effort. There is no "there" there.
Is this your best reply to http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4119262&postcount=340 ?
 
No, it is a form without meaning.

Syntax or semantics are already some MAF's meanings.

Wow! This is deeper than primes. You use a meaningless notation to represent a meaningless construct for a meaningless concept.

You have invented nothing. You must be very proud.
 
Although you very clearly showed that you are in fact trying to get the substance of physicists and mathematicians tough like the Alchemist search for gold.
The motivation of the Alchemist search was to transform common material to rare material.

This motivation exists also today. Because a lot of affords were made in order to re-search , re-open and develop our understanding of fundamental forces and structures in nature, we actually have today the technology to fulfill the Alchemist search and actually transform one material to another material (it may cost a lot of money, but technically it can be done).
 
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Wow! This is deeper than primes. You use a meaningless notation to represent a meaningless construct for a meaningless concept.

You have invented nothing. You must be very proud.

I provide the form that enables you to invent whatever you wish to invent (and then, research and develop it, if you wish to do so).
 
I provide the form that enables you to invent whatever you wish to invent (and then, research and develop it, if you wish to do so).

You invented nothing.

As was pointed out to you, the form itself for *_*_* is the notational equivalent of gibberish. It doesn't mean anything.
 
You invented nothing.

Again, MAF is not any invention, but it provides the minimal form that enables you to invent.

As was pointed out to you, the form itself for *_*_* is the notational equivalent of gibberish. It doesn't mean anything.

MAF *_*_* can be, for example, number 3.

MAF *_*_* can be, for example, some axiomatic system, based on 3 axioms.

MAF *_*_* can be, for example, the possible relations between conclusion, rule and precondition (the example that I provide in http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/UR.pdf ).
 
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Again, MAF is not any invention, but it provides the minimal terms that enables you to invent.



MAF *_*_* can be, for example, number 3.


It can be 3.14159, too, but that doesn't change the fact your notation is gibberish.
 
I believe his biggest factual error, and one the Doron has repeated, is in regards to Hilbert's organic claim. Moshe and Doron would have us believe Hilbert was predicting/pleading for a unification of Mathematics. If you read Hilbert's speech, it is easy to see Hilbert meant nothing of the kind.

Not surprising, the "organic notion" that is so fundamental to Doron's discourse is 180 degrees out of phase with the rational.

From the Moshe Klein/Doron Shadmi paper:
Moshe Klein said:
He saw the subject called "Mathematics" as a living "Organism" "whose vitality is conditioned upon the surprising connections between its parts". He has pointed to a strong fear that in the near future, Mathematics will split up into separate branches and the connection between these will loosen up. He predicted that in the future every Mathematician would in a specific branch of Mathematics. This will likely form separate mathematical groups where each group deals with a small and specific studying area of Mathematics. To our great regret, this fear became reality. Hilbert ends his lecture by stating his vision of an "Organic unity" between all Mathematical Branches. He thinks that there is a possibility that a new type of "Mathematics" shall be discovered.
However, when you read the actual speech by Hilbert (English translation):
Hilbert said:
Mathe-
matical science is in my opinion an indivisible whole, an
organism whose vitality is conditioned upon the connection
of its parts. For with all the variety of mathematical
knowledge, we are still clearly conscious of the similarity
of the logical devices, the %relationship% of the %ideas% in mathe-
matics as a whole and the numerous analogies in its differ-
ent departments. We also notice that, the farther a mathe-
matical theory is developed, the more harmoniously and
uniformly does its construction proceed, and unsuspected
relations are disclosed between hitherto separate branches
of the science. So it happens that, with the extension of
mathematics, its organic character is not lost but only
manifests itself the more clearly.
But, we ask, with the extension of mathematical knowl-
edge will it not finally become impossible for the single in-
vestigator to embrace all departments of this knowledge?
In answer let me point out how thoroughly it is ingrained
in mathematical science that every real advance goes hand
in hand with the invention of sharper tools and simpler
methods which at the same time assist in understanding
earlier thoeries and cast aside older more complicated de-
velopments. It is therefore possible for the individual
investigator, when he makes these sharper tools and simpler
methods his own, to find his way more easily in the various
branches of mathematics than is possible in any other
science.
Nothing of an "organic unity" in the way Klein/Shadmi bring it; no vision either of a "new type of Mathematics". And no fear of fragmentation, on the contrary, Hilbert is confident that mathematicians will remain able to cross over to other specializations.

And here's some more to read and weep about Moshe Klein's kindergartening:
1) Introduction :"Dialog in mathematics" is a unique approach to teaching mathematics in kindergarten. Children between the ages of 4-6 are still very open-minded as they haven't studied mathematics in the traditional way of the regular education system. Our approach is applied today in 7 kindergartens at Kiryat Tivon, a small town near Haifa with a populationof approximately 20,000 citizens.
[...]
4) Gan Adam project:The Gan Adam project and vision of education were established in 1990 by the mathematician Moshe Klein. We developed a program "Genesis"in teaching science in kindergarten which was applied in 1,200 kindergartens in Israel. Next year the first course of "Dialog in Mathematics" for kindergartens will be opened. We are establishing now the model in Kiryat Tivon and we are looking for a partner to expand and develop the project in other places in Israel and in other countries.
Don't let it come near you...
 
From the Moshe Klein/Doron Shadmi paper:

However, when you read the actual speech by Hilbert (English translation):

Nothing of an "organic unity" in the way Klein/Shadmi bring it; no vision either of a "new type of Mathematics". And no fear of fragmentation, on the contrary, Hilbert is confident that mathematicians will remain able to cross over to other specializations.
This post http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3580353&postcount=300 may help you to get it.

Also you ignored what I wrote at http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4120100&postcount=362 about the right version of our paper, and quated things from the wrong version.

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Also you ignored this part of the lecture ( http://www.cs.arizona.edu/~rcs/hilbert-speech ):
But, we ask, with the extension of mathematical knowl-
edge will it not finally become impossible for the single in-
vestigator to embrace all departments of this knowledge?
In answer let me point out how thoroughly it is ingrained
in mathematical science that every real advance goes hand
in hand with the invention of sharper tools and simpler
methods which at the same time assist in understanding
earlier thoeries and cast aside older more complicated de-
velopments. It is therefore possible for the individual
investigator, when he makes these sharper tools and simpler
methods his own, to find his way more easily in the various
branches of mathematics than is possible in any other
science.
(my edit)The organic unity of mathematics is inherent in the nature
of this science
, for mathematics is the foundation of all exact
knowledge of natural phenomena. That it may completely
fulfil this high mission, may the new century bring it gifted
masters and many zealous and enthusiastic disciples.

Hilbert was full of hope that the mathematical scince will save the connections between its parts, because he belived that "the organic unity of the mathematical science is inherent in the nature of this science".

It is well known that the current mathematical science is made of parts that do not talk with each other, and something has to be done in order to fufill Hilbert's viewpoint about The Organic Unity of Mathematics.
 
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