Deeper than primes

[ddt]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4095093&postcount=162 ).

So what did I write about your career that you didn't write yourself, e.g., in this IIDB post?

You have forgotten some important fact:

I am also a Jew.

Apparently, you think that's important: you mention it, and you're the only one who ever mentioned it. Ethnicity is utterly irrelevant to being a (mathematical) crackpot, vice versa. Are you trying to play the persecution card or is this another attempt at slandering?

 

[doronshadmi]

So what did I write about your career that you didn't write yourself, e.g., in this IIDB post?

Here is the relevant part:

"A lot of my insights are based on System analysis, design and programming of a very rich and versatile environment ( see http://www.tahal.com/ ) and I have an experience of more than 25 years in this rich and versatile environment."

In does not give you any permission to convince other persons (or act by yourself) directly or indirectly, to make any kind of contact with Tahal in order to get details about me. It is simply amazing that you do not get that.

Apparently, you think that's important: ...

You even missed that (the cynicism). What can we say?

 

[nathan]

Here is the relevant part"

"A lot of my insights are based on System analysis, design and programming of a very rich and versatile environment ( see http://www.tahal.com/ ) and I have an experience of more than 25 years in this rich and versatile environment."

In does not give you any permission to convince other persons (or act by yourself) directly or indirectly, to make any kind of contact with Tahal in order to get details about me. It is simply amazing that you do not get that.

Why do you think your permission is needed?

 

[TMiguel]

"A lot of my insights are based on System analysis, design and programming of a very rich and versatile environment ( see http://www.tahal.com/ ) and I have an experience of more than 25 years in this rich and versatile environment."

So you mean, you are a plumber and therefore you are right?

We have been relatively very nice to you, because at least I personally don’t like people like you producing garbage and try to litter others whit it.
Let me give you an example of what I mean, Look at this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93dL65Q724
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTzmHiqmko
There are lots of videos about thins guy teaching “pseudo-mathematics”, he does everything you can not do in math, he gets paid for that, and it is all complete nonsense from beginning to end. People actually get more stupid just by listening that.
Now take a look on how he works, lots of pictures, schematics, nonsense terminology, conclusions out of no where, nonsense from top to bottom.
Now answer me, what is the difference between this douche and you?

 

[doronshadmi]

Why do you think your permission is needed?

I can tell you from my own experience.

I did such a foolish thing by myself, and sent an email to some student's mathematical department in order to tell them that he uses their computers in order to follow after me to any forum that I wrote something in it. He did it in order to warn people about me and to ignore anything that I write. He did it intensively and very aggressively for a long time until one day I decided to do my best in order to calm his aggressive obsession about me, down.

After I did it, I understood that I am actually not better than him when I acted like this.

 

[doronshadmi]

So you mean, you are a plumber and therefore you are right?

We have been relatively very nice to you, because at least I personally don’t like people like you producing garbage and try to litter others whit it.
Let me give you an example of what I mean, Look at this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93dL65Q724
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTzmHiqmko
There are lots of videos about thins guy teaching “pseudo-mathematics”, he does everything you can not do in math, he gets paid for that, and it is all complete nonsense from beginning to end. People actually get more stupid just by listening that.
Now take a look on how he works, lots of pictures, schematics, nonsense terminology, conclusions out of no where, nonsense from top to bottom.
Now answer me, what is the difference between this douche and you?

Your inability to understand my work. Until now you did not show that you get it.

"Nonsense" or "Gibberish" do not give any indication to your understanding.

 

[ddt]

So you mean, you are a plumber and therefore you are right?

Let me give you an example of what I mean, Look at this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93dL65Q724
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTzmHiqmko
There are lots of videos about thins guy teaching “pseudo-mathematics”, he does everything you can not do in math, he gets paid for that, and it is all complete nonsense from beginning to end. People actually get more stupid just by listening that.

Amen. You should also look at this video of his:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XV1w7OI0w
and tune in at 2:15. Nice coincidence, the resemblance of that picture with doron's avatar.

 

[nathan]

I can tell you from my own experience.

I did such a foolish thing by myself, and sent an email to some student's mathematical department in order to tell them that he uses their computers in order to follow after me to any forum that I wrote something in it. He did it in order to warn people about me and to ignore anything that I write. He did it intensively and very aggressively for a long time until one day I decided to do my best in order to calm his aggressive obsession about me, down.

After I did it, I understood that I am actually not better than him when I acted like this.

So, you don't think permission is needed?

 

[ddt]

"A lot of my insights are based on System analysis, design and programming of a very rich and versatile environment ( see http://www.tahal.com/ ) and I have an experience of more than 25 years in this rich and versatile environment."

We haven't seen a lot of insights though. Most of your statements are vacuous. But then, the insights you show from 5+ years posting on nearly every internet forum in sight and invariably been told your writings are nonsense aren't very impressive either.

In does not give you any permission to convince other persons [...]

(bolding mine). That word does not mean what you think it means. And what nathan said: no permission is needed. You opened the door yourself by publishing the association with your employer to the possibility that someone can contact them.

I can tell you from my own experience.

I did such a foolish thing by myself, and sent an email to some student's mathematical department in order to tell them that he uses their computers in order to follow after me to any forum that I wrote something in it. He did it in order to warn people about me and to ignore anything that I write. He did it intensively and very aggressively for a long time until one day I decided to do my best in order to calm his aggressive obsession about me, down.

After I did it, I understood that I am actually not better than him when I acted like this.

You tellingly left out three important details about this story:

1) a couple of links to the posts in question, so we can judge about the temper of his posts. What's different about this student exposing your writings for the crap they are on various fora, than about you going from one forum to another posting the same crap?

2) the effect it had on the student's behaviour. Did he stop after that?

3) the answer you got from the department. Did they just answer you that the student was completely right in stating your writings are nonsense?

IMHO, if that student pointed out repeatedly your writings are nonsense, he just did a public service.

You even missed that (the cynicism). What can say?

What cynicism? I only see a lame attempt to insinuate others might be racists. That's disgusting.

 

[doronshadmi]

We haven't seen a lot of insights though. Most of your statements are vacuous. But then, the insights you show from 5+ years posting on nearly every internet forum in sight and invariably been told your writings are nonsense aren't very impressive either.


(bolding mine). That word does not mean what you think it means. And what nathan said: no permission is needed. You opened the door yourself by publishing the association with your employer to the possibility that someone can contact them.


You tellingly left out three important details about this story:

1) a couple of links to the posts in question, so we can judge about the temper of his posts. What's different about this student exposing your writings for the crap they are on various fora, than about you going from one forum to another posting the same crap?

2) the effect it had on the student's behaviour. Did he stop after that?

3) the answer you got from the department. Did they just answer you that the student was completely right in stating your writings are nonsense?

IMHO, if that student pointed out repeatedly your writings are nonsense, he just did a public service.

I made a mistake in the email address, so the email was sent to a wrong address.

I did not try to send it again, because after I did it I understood that it was a wrong reaction.

What cynicism? I only see a lame attempt to insinuate others might be racists. That's disgusting.

Are you kidding my angel?

 

[Darat]

Back to a topic appropriate for this section; as much as you may like to talk about each other that is only appropriate in a metaphysical sense of "appropriate for the "R&P" section.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

 

[doronshadmi]

Entropy is a MAF that has no distiction or order between its elements.

 

[nathan]

Entropy is a MAF that has no distiction or order between its elements.

Who else understands this definition of Entropy?

 

[jsfisher]

Doron,

In your UR.PDF, you make bizarre use of the asterisk and underbar symbols to mean, as you put it,

Let * be an element.
Let _ be a relation.​

Then you declare

An example of MAF, where three elements are related to each other:
*_*_*​

As described by you, the asterisk would be bound to a single element and the underbar to a single relation. I doubt this is what you meant. Did you in fact mean for your example MAF to be three, not one elements under a single relation?

So, your original with corrections would be:

Let x, y, and z each be an element.
Let _ be a relation.
Then x _ y _ z is an example MAF.​

I think that is more consistent with what you really meant, but it is still with problems. You use the underbar as a binary relation, so while x _ y and y _ z each are sensible formulae, the triple x _ y _ z is not.

What did you mean by x _ y _ z?

 

[ddt]

This post is a bit of a derail, but as we've been all asking about Doron's credentials, I don't understand why he hasn't brought up the following.

Doron's research associate, Moshe Klein, has given a talk on "Organic Mathematics" in the Fifth International Congress in Applied Mathematics and Computing, August 2008, in Plovdiv, Bulgaria. At least, the PDF here claims so.

Let's disregard that he misspells the name of the conference ("Computation" instead of "Computing"), and that the professor who he claims invited him, Bromi Bainov, is nowhere to be found on the web but shares his last name with organizer Drumi Bainov.

With this academic break-through of one of your key theories, why do you still need to pebble your theories on such mundane fora as this?

Or is there something not quite true about the above? I couldn't find a comprehensive program for FICMAC.

 

[ddt]

Who else understands this definition of Entropy?

You don't? I'm disappointed . Well, neither do I. Maybe it would help to look on the net what other Doron-discussions have given in terms of results.

Deeper than Primes:

IIDB, Aug. 2005
Math Help Forum Aug. 2007
Philosophy Forums, Aug. 28, 2008
Center for Inquiry, Aug. 28, 2008

Universal Reasoning:

Philosophy Forums, Oct. 10, 2008
Science Chat Forum, Oct. 10, 2008
Center for Inquiry, Oct. 10, 2008

Note that the latter 3 have the same posting date and the same OP as Doron's post #259, which was the OP of the later merged thread "Universal Reasoning" here.

Note also that one poster at CfI remarks that he'd rather wait to see what comes out of this thread.

Anyway, I'm none the wiser. But maybe someone else may have adavantage of these links.

 

[Skeptic]

If you disagree with me, you have to show a researchable framework which is totally relative (no elements are involved) or totally absolute (no relations are involved).

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. I don't have to prove you are wrong. You have to prove you are right. All I have done is shown that it is quite clear from your paper that you know very little about either philosophy, logic, or mathematics -- and that therefore, it is extremely unlikely you made an earth-shattering discovery in the philosophy of mathematical logic.

 

[Skeptic]

Entropy is a MAF that has no distiction or order between its elements.

No, it isn't. That's just a definition you made up.

 

[TMiguel]

Doron's research associate, Moshe Klein, has given a talk on "Organic Mathematics" in the Fifth International Congress in Applied Mathematics and Computing, August 2008, in Plovdiv, Bulgaria. At least, the PDF here claims so.

Hum, interesting. That document alone explained more about the subject, then all the rambling Doron put together, and I can tell that Doron didn’t write it himself.
Some words actually made sense, it is still mathematical nonsense, but at least is a reader friendly mathematical nonsense.

 

[jsfisher]

Deeper than Primes:

IIDB, Aug. 2005
Math Help Forum Aug. 2007
Philosophy Forums, Aug. 28, 2008
Center for Inquiry, Aug. 28, 2008

Doron got himself banned from one of these sites (the one I bolded). Apparently, being obtuse is less tolerated elsewhere than here.