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So ~A is "Anything but A".

Look at your reply
Yeah, so?

Yeah, so?

By your local-only reasoning you do not get that negation is not unary because by using ~A as "anything but A" we can't avoid A

Negation is a unary relation by definition. I know you don't get along well with definitions, Doron, but that's your inability to comprehend meaning, not mine.

And what is with this "we can't avoid A" crap? Putting aside for the moment your obtuse use of English, who, other than you, Doron, has said anything about "avoiding A"?

What good is an operator that "avoids" its operands?



And what does any of this have to do with Doronetics inability to exhibit a single result?
 
You simply can't get NXOR/XOR reasoning.


Perhaps if you laid out the axioms of your so-called "NXOR/XOR reasoning" system of logic, we could all bask in its glory.

Oh, yeah, you can't. That would be sort of like defining something. You can't do that either.
 
jsfisher said:
Perhaps if you laid out the axioms of your so-called "NXOR/XOR reasoning" system of logic, we could all bask in its glory.
You still do not get that NXOR/XOR reasoning is not a deductive-only framework.
 


Oh, come on. Stop with the "you can't get it" defense. You know full well you cannot formalize your NXOR reasoning into a system of logic. Blame yourself for that, not the rest of the world.

Perhaps some help would be in order: Start with a small part, e.g. what are the rules for constructing well-formed formula in your NXOR reasoning system? We can build from there....
 
Again, we see Doron use A and ~A as two independent variables.
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NXOR/XOR reasoning is at least mutual-independent framework, and not just the independency-only that jsfisher tries to sell here, all along this thread.
 
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"a shared" means "connectivity".

As I said before that something is shared indicates a connection in that sharing.

"lack of dependence" means "isolation".

No it simply indicates a lack of affect on one due to changes in the other. Again not all "lack of dependence" is mutual or shared so a simple lack of dependence does not infer “isolation”. Additionally as shown before in the A, B ,C example even if A and B are mutually independent, C might depend on them both so again independence does not infer “isolation”. Also as noted before the mutual aspect of the independence in the mutual independence of A and B, depends on both A and B not being affected by changes in the other, so again they are clearly not ‘isolated’ in that mutual independence as that lack of dependence must be, well, mutual.


So your phrase has a meaning exactly because you used "connectivity"/"isolation" linkage that is equivalent to Mutual-Independency, which is not a local-only framework, as your framework is, for example:

Ah back to the standard Doron fall back position of just claiming that only his notions give anything any “meaning”. While I’m certain for you this is the case, you have continually failed to show why anyone needs you, your notions, or your personal “meaning”.

Only if it refers to some element, or in other words Mutual-Independency framework is used.

No, it still means negation and if that negation refers to some specific “element” that element and its negation are mutually dependent. Wrong on both counts Doron.

By using a local-only reasoning A NXOR ~A is a contradiction.

No Doron it is a contradiction specifically because A and “~A” are mutually dependent.


You can't define contradiction in the case of total state because it is totally independent.

No you just can’t define your “total state” because it is “total” nonsense.

A meaningful formal framework is AT LEAST mutual-independency, which is something that you simply don't get.

I’ve got it Doron, your “mutual-independency” is a ‘totally connective total isolation’ and there is nothing “meaningful” or indicative of a “formal framework” about it, it is simply a direct contradiction, like the rest of your notions.




are changeable.

Again, "well established words and concepts " are nothing but the current common agreement among people about given "words and concepts", and this common agreement is changeable (something that you don't get).

Well when you get some “common agreement” (whatever you think that is) on your interpretations, you be sure to let us know. As it stands your interpretations do not even agree with themselves, so any “common agreement” is pretty much out of the question until you can “AT LEAST” get your interpretations to agree with themselves. Once again Doron there are plenty of words to use under what you call “common agreement”. Not using them simply indicates that you are not willing to accurately communicate your notions, but simply want some “common agreement” of them anyway. Well the outstanding “common agreement” about your notions is that they are simply useless self-contradictory nonsensical word-salad.
 
Again, we see Doron use A and ~A as two independent variables.
NXOR/XOR reasoning is at least mutual-independent framework, and not just the indecency that jsfisher tries to sell here, all along this thread.


Ok, then. Let's avoid any further indecency, and write down some of what we have learned:

1. ~ is a relation in NXOR/XOR reasoning.
2. ~A has the meaning "anything but A".
3. ~A and A are independent of each other.

What's next?
 
NXOR/XOR reasoning is at least mutual-independent framework, and not just the indecency that jsfisher tries to sell here, all along this thread.


'Selling indecency'? Why js, how could you? Well I guess whatever sells.

If you meant independency Doron, well, selling that is your shtick and so far no sale.
 
The Man said:
Well when you get some “common agreement” (whatever you think that is) on your interpretations, you be sure to let us know.
As I claim, you, The Man, needs others agreements before you discus about some subject.

The Man said:
No it simply indicates a lack of affect on one due to changes in the other.
So we deal here with independent things that share a common environment, or in other words, we have a mutual-independent environment.

The Man said:
I’ve got it Doron, your “mutual-independency” is a ‘totally connective total isolation’
Wrong, “mutual-independency” is the intermediate state between total connectivity and total isolation, you simply can’t comprehend this intermediate state by your local-only reasoning, which is a Black/White-only reasoning.

The Man said:
A and “~A” are mutually dependent.
Wrong, because ~ is not a unary relation, as clearly seen in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6072050&postcount=10340.
 
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Ok, then. Let's avoid any further indecency, and write down some of what we have learned:

1. ~ is a relation in NXOR/XOR reasoning.
2. ~A has the meaning "anything but A".
3. ~A and A are independent of each other.

What's next?

~A and A are mutually-independent of each other.
 
As I claim, you, The Man, needs others agreements before you discus about some subject.

Nope, as this thread clearly demonstrates otherwise. However, that you specifically try to avoid any agreement on words and concepts severely limits your ability to discuss your notions (again as this thread clearly demonstrates). Doron it is simply your insistence that people must agree with you before they can discuss your notion (again as this thread clearly demonstrates time and time again)

So we deal here with independent things that share a common environment, or in other words, we have a mutual-independent environment.

No Doron they specifically share their independence from each other. Mutual independence does not refer to an “environment” or it would be simply ‘mutual environment’ (a shared environment). You obviously are aware of this as in your “other words” you had to tack on “environment” after your “mutual-independent”.

Wrong, “mutual-independency” is the intermediate state between total connectivity and total isolation, you simply can’t comprehend this intermediate state by you local-only reasoning, which is a Black/White-only reasoning.

Again “total isolation” is just a fantasy of yours as that “total isolation” would still be a ‘connection’.


What is clearly shown in that post your reference is “~” giving an output from just one input, thus it is “unary” even in your usage in your referenced post.
 
I sell mutual-independency, and you don't see it because of your Black/White-only reasoning.

No, Doron you only try to sell your own personal self-contradictory interpretation of "mutual-independency”. Unfortunately (for you, that is) you are a very poor salesman as you only speak your own personal language and insist everyone agree with your personal language and self-contradictory interpretations. In effect insisting that they buy into what you’re selling before you can even make your sales pitch.
 
~A and A are mutually-independent of each other.

Not according to your own post.

Again:

The traditional view of NOT as unary is fundamentally wrong because the Truth table of ~ can't avoid A/~A comparison in order to be expressed, as follows:
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A ~A
F  T
T  F

Please show where the value of “~A” is independent of the value of “A” and visa-versa in that table.
 
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