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The method I presented yields the correct count.

All you did is to show that a collection of distinct forms (where Uncertainty is ignored) of a bigger kxk tree, have the same amount of a collection of distinct forms (where Uncertainty is not ignored) of a smaller tree.

There is noting general here.


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Furthermore, in both cases only the serial and asymmetric property of kxk trees is considered because we deal only with Distinct States.
 
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All you did is to show that a collection of distinct forms (where Uncertainty is ignored) of a bigger kxk tree, have the same amount of a collection of distinct forms (where Uncertainty is not ignored) of a smaller tree.

There is noting general here.


That's what you imagined I showed. In fact, what I did was point out that your kXk collection has the same number of elements as there are combinations of 2^k objects taken k at a time with replacement.

That is a general statement, it works for all values of k, and it explains how to determine the size of your kXk collection.

The real key, here, though, is that it works.
 
That's what you imagined I showed. In fact, what I did was point out that your kXk collection has the same number of elements as there are combinations of 2^k objects taken k at a time with replacement.

That is a general statement, it works for all values of k, and it explains how to determine the size of your kXk collection.

The real key, here, though, is that it works.

It works under the limitation of serial and asymmetric property of kxk trees.
 
The particle pattern (one silt is opened) is not a superposition.

The wave pattern (at least two silts are opened) is a superposition.

Read the link I posted or at least the quote from it.

http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/PVB/Harrison/DoubleSlit/DoubleSlit.html

Finally, we leave both slits open and measure the distribution of bullets arriving at the backstop from both slits. The result is the solid curve shown to the right. Also shown as dashed lines are the results we just got for bullets from the upper slit and bullets from the lower slit.

The result is just what you probably have predicted: the number of bullets arriving from both slits is just the sum of the bullets from the upper slit and the bullets from the lower slit.



In other words, we can't get both localization (Locality or particle pattern) and delocalization (Non-locality or wave pattern) on the screen detector exactly because Non-locality and Locality have complementary linkage.

No, quite specifically in the words I used…

The models and data actually support the localization of one by the delocalization of the other, not your nonsense ‘signatures’.

So we must always get localization of one aspect by a delocalization of the other (energy and time are related in the same way as position and momentum). Your problem in this instance seems to be that you are trying to claim your “localization” as some non-wave aspect when a wave and specifically a wave packet can be very highly localized.
 
The Man "position" = "Locality"

So what you actually wrote is this:

"The more localized the local the less localized the non-local and the more localized the non-local the less localized the local"

This is simply nonsense.

No Doron what you wrote above is nonsense, deliberately so and as usual you prefer to try to ascribe some of your deliberate nonsense to others. Since position can be delocalized by localizing momentum as clearly stated in what you quoted from me, your nonsense remains simply yours. Again your primary confusion in this case seems to be with equating (as you seem to do above) some physical position exclusively with locality. Not all locations are in what is informally considered space (meaning some physical location). Mathematically a set of values is a space, much like momentum space commonly used in physics. As such, a localized momentum is a position (or range of positions) in that space (momentum space not some physical spatial location). This is the power and flexibility of real math that not all spaces deal with or are limited to measures of physical distance like a meter, yard or furlong. We can also locate and localize things in other types of spaces, momentum space being just one common example in physics and phase space being another. To try to put it more succinctly for you, if we consider a line representing values of momentum with the possible values ranging from 5 Newton seconds to say 10 Newton seconds our uncertainty in momentum would be 5 Newton seconds and thus our minimum uncertainty in position would be h/10p meters. Thus we could represent the range of positions as a line h/10p meters in length. If we double that uncertainty in position (increase the range, the length of the line and thus delocalize it even more) our uncertainty in momentum now becomes only 2.5 Newton seconds, the minimum rage of possible values of momentum has become more localized or in other words the length of our momentum line has gone from 5 Newton seconds to 2.5 Newton seconds.
 
Alas, just drive-by postings from Doron today. A quibble about quantum mechanical "position" being synonymous with Doronetics' "locality" and more denial that the correct answer cannot be correct if it doesn't pay tribute to irrelevant conditions.

Maybe tomorrow he'll show us how elegantly Doronetics expresses Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Maybe tomorrow he'll show us how elegantly Doronetics actually does anything besides misinterpreting already-understood phenomena.

We can only hope.
 
Don't mind me. Just popping in to marvel that this thread is still going.

I propose we coin a new adjective, a 'doronshadmi', meaning a long-lived meme sustained by random noise.
 
Don't mind me. Just popping in to marvel that this thread is still going.

I propose we coin a new adjective, a 'doronshadmi', meaning a long-lived meme sustained by random noise.


It doesn't get any more realistice than this! ;)
 
Read the link I posted or at least the quote from it.

The bullets' pattern of two opened slits, has nothing to do with wavicle.


So we must always get localization of one aspect by a delocalization of the other (energy and time are related in the same way as position and momentum). Your problem in this instance seems to be that you are trying to claim your “localization” as some non-wave aspect when a wave and specifically a wave packet can be very highly localized.

You can use any twisted maneuver with language, but at the bottom line you deal with "localization" (Locality) and "delocalization" (Non-locality) as two complementary properties of a one phenomenon (known as wavicle).
 
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No Doron what you wrote above is nonsense, deliberately so and as usual you prefer to try to ascribe some of your deliberate nonsense to others. Since position can be delocalized by localizing momentum as clearly stated in what you quoted from me, your nonsense remains simply yours. Again your primary confusion in this case seems to be with equating (as you seem to do above) some physical position exclusively with locality. Not all locations are in what is informally considered space (meaning some physical location). Mathematically a set of values is a space, much like momentum space commonly used in physics. As such, a localized momentum is a position (or range of positions) in that space (momentum space not some physical spatial location). This is the power and flexibility of real math that not all spaces deal with or are limited to measures of physical distance like a meter, yard or furlong. We can also locate and localize things in other types of spaces, momentum space being just one common example in physics and phase space being another. To try to put it more succinctly for you, if we consider a line representing values of momentum with the possible values ranging from 5 Newton seconds to say 10 Newton seconds our uncertainty in momentum would be 5 Newton seconds and thus our minimum uncertainty in position would be h/10p meters. Thus we could represent the range of positions as a line h/10p meters in length. If we double that uncertainty in position (increase the range, the length of the line and thus delocalize it even more) our uncertainty in momentum now becomes only 2.5 Newton seconds, the minimum rage of possible values of momentum has become more localized or in other words the length of our momentum line has gone from 5 Newton seconds to 2.5 Newton seconds.

Some quote from momentum space:
Representing a problem in terms of the momenta of the particles involved, rather than in terms of their positions,...

In other words, momenta (non-locality) is different than position (locality), and these two properties have a complementary relations between them under a given measured wavicle.

Furthermore, Non-locality/Locality linkage is not limited to any particular space, mathematical or physical, exactly because it is non context-dependent framework.


Here is quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position_(vector), taken from phase space:
A position, location, or radius vector is a vector which represents the position of a point P in space in relation to an arbitrary reference origin O

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If we double that uncertainty in position (increase the range, the length of the line and thus delocalize it even more) our uncertainty in momentum now becomes only 2.5 Newton seconds, the minimum rage of possible values of momentum has become more localized or in other words the length of our momentum line has gone from 5 Newton seconds to 2.5 Newton seconds.

In other words, by increasing the property of Non-locality "(increase the range, the length of the line and thus delocalize it even more)" as you phrase it, our uncertainty of the non-local property is reduced and we get more accurate measurement of the non-local property of the measured phenomenon.
 
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