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ddt said:
Of course, there's no real example there. You haven't shown anything useful with your "theory". You haven't even shown a theory. Each time people ask for a set of axioms, you utterly fail.
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It is pre-axiomatic, you simply do not get what Direct Perception is.
 
sympathic said:
Doron: what about developing a malicious virus that could wipe out the entire human race? last time I checked biologists do not use Maths. Do you plan for OM to replace Biology as well?

Also, let's assume you are correct and adopting OM will not let us build atomic bombs, and will only allow us to do useful and harmless things; how are you going to prevent "bad" people from using "Standard Math" for their malicious actions? do you plan to wipe out all Mathematical knowledge from the minds of all of us?

And just so you know, nuclear research has some positive aspects as well, for example Nuclear power, a very clean and relatively inexpensive source of energy. It is not about what you can do with Math - it is about what your agenda is.
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evasion well noted. This lets all air out of your OM baloon.
 
sympathic said:
evasion well noted. This lets all air out of your OM baloon.
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The answer is: real understanding of Complexity, and actions that are done in order to develop it.

Real understanding of Complexity uses Direct Perception and a skillful Direct Perception mind is our best guarantee for further Complexity development.

We are exactly the result of Complexity development along the past 15 billion years and as a species we are in a crucial turning point of our existence as complex systems.

If we will not do very soon our best in order to fundamentally understand Complexity and teach it to our next generations, we shell not survive further manipulations of Nature's forces.

As for biologists (or any other science that deals with Complexity) they do use Mathematics.

As for Nuclear power, it is a blessing in the hands of a civilization that understands Complexity and Complexity's development, and it is a curse in the hands of a civilization that does not understand Complexity and Complexity's development (as clearly shown in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5021380&postcount=5859).

The understanding of Complexity has to be shown and thought right at the foundations the mathematical science, and by doing this we get a framework where both Ethics AND Logical reasoning complement each other as universal principles.

Actually Complexity can be seen when the power set of X is compared with set X (whether X is infinite or not), for example:

S={a,b,c,…}

Power(S)={{},{a},{a,b},{b},…,{a,b,c,…}}

|Power(S)|>|S| exactly because the Complexity of Power(S) > the Complexity of S, and there is no end to Complexity (it is incomplete) exactly because no collection of localities is Non-locality.
 
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doronshadmi said:
If we will not do very soon our best in order to fundamentally understand Complexity and teach it to our next generations, we shell not survive further manipulations of Nature's forces.
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So your persistent and futile presence on these forums is your best effort to spread and teach the understanding of Complexity ?

What has your claimed 30 years of research and development of OM achieved in the real world? what has OM achieved? How many people are knowingly using OM to make a better world?

Why are you here in this forum?
 
dlorde said:
Why are you here in this forum?
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To share with you the grace of Complexity, which is the result of Totality's self-reference between its Non-local and Local aspects.

This grace enables actual infinity to be expressed by infinitely many finites among infinitely many and ever-developing Complexity's levels.

The awareness of this grace is the essence of what we are as Complex systems, and the mathematical science is the most accurate tool for developing this awareness.

It can be done iff the mathematical science is transformed into the common framework of both universal Ethics AND universal Logics, and it can be done by Direct Perception training.

Transcendental Meditation is some example of such training, and it is about time to re-connect between East AND West bodies of knowledge of our species, which is exactly the reconnection between our Right AND Left hemispheres into a one organic brain that is naturally aware of Complexity's grace and does its best in order to develop its non-trivial expressions.

OM is simply the result of the transformation of the mathematical science when East AND West bodies of knowledge of our species are re-connected.
 
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dlorde said:
So your persistent and futile presence on these forums is your best effort to spread and teach the understanding of Complexity ?

What has your claimed 30 years of research and development of OM achieved in the real world? what has OM achieved? How many people are knowingly using OM to make a better world?

Why are you here in this forum?
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Now how abut answering the first four questions doronshadmi?
 
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doronshadmi said:
To share with you the grace of Complexity, which is the result of Totality's self-reference between its Non-local and Local aspects.

This grace enables actual infinity to be expressed by infinitely many finites among infinitely many and ever-developing Complexity's levels.

The awareness of this grace is the essence of what we are as Complex systems, and the mathematical science is the most accurate tool for developing this awareness.
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(bolding mine)

It is clear we have entered the realms of theology. Doron worships the gods Complexity and Totality. Of course, their words are transmitted only in a less-than-perfect way by their earthly prophet. Doron's posting here is his daily sacrifice to his Gods, which he knows only through fragmentary and ill-understood revelation.
 
ddt said:
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It is clear we have entered the realms of theology.
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No, it is clear that your limited Left-only analytical view point has no ability the get the reconnection between our Right AND Left hemispheres into a one organic brain.

Your viewpoint is going to be obsolete.

The Grace IS Human, no biblical or any other primitive God is needed here and this is exactly my argument.

Man to Man is Man.

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Man to Man is Man if Man is not totally ignored (as done by modern science) AND Man is not first addressed by his Religious, Cultural, Political, National, (etc…) armor in order to meat another Man.
 
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doronshadmi said:
The Grace IS Human, no biblical or any other primitive God is needed here and this is exactly my argument.
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Wooosh! The meaning of the word "grace" went right over your head.

doronshadmi said:
Man to Man is Man.
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You've got your proverbs mixed up. It is: homo homini lupus.

doronshadmi said:
Man to Man is Man if Man is not totally ignored (as done by modern science) AND Man is not first addressed by his Religious, Cultural, Political, National, (etc…) armor in order to meat another Man.
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If I've ever seen gibberish...
 
It rather hurts one's credibility as a genius prophet who will enlighten the world through the new math when one (a) can't spell, (b) can't do math.
 
ddt said:
Wooosh! The meaning of the word "grace" went right over your head.


You've got your proverbs mixed up. It is: homo homini lupus.


If I've ever seen gibberish...
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Gibberish is the only thing that do not over your head, so?
 
dlorde said:
So your persistent and futile presence on these forums is your best effort to spread and teach the understanding of Complexity ?

What has your claimed 30 years of research and development of OM achieved in the real world? what has OM achieved? How many people are knowingly using OM to make a better world?

Why are you here in this forum?
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Little 10 Toes said:
Now how abut answering the first four questions doronshadmi?
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doronshadmi said:
How about facing http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5008114&postcount=5726 Little 10 Toes ?
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You first.
 
It is probably best to just let it all go. Doron has hunkered down behind his direct perception barrier. At this point, all the claims are fantastical, completely shielded by his pre-axiom logic loop.

He won't define. He won't deduce. He does assert, but that's subject to random mutation. At no point has he offered anything approaching a testable claim.

...and his stuff doesn't work.
 
jsfisher said:
It is probably best to just let it all go. Doron has hunkered down behind his direct perception barrier. At this point, all the claims are fantastical, completely shielded by his pre-axiom logic loop.

He won't define. He won't deduce. He does assert, but that's subject to random mutation. At no point has he offered anything approaching a testable claim.

...and his stuff doesn't work.
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jsfisher you are under loop here by your verbal-serial-western-left-brain_only functionality, and the barrier that you observe about Direct Perception is exactly the reflection of your limited and non-balanced brains' functionality.

This limitation is the exact result of the non-balanced training that you have got along your western academic life, which prevents from you to get:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5008114&postcount=5726

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5021380&postcount=5859

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5025856&postcount=5865

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5029530&postcount=5867

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5029593&postcount=5871

So?
 
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