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Thank you!

Dear Apathia please be aware that my framework is not only over matrix, as observed in the posts following your "Thank you!" post.

If you carefully observe them, you may find how I am doing my best in order to define non-fixed numbers in therms of invariant proportion, which is a matrix fantasy that is not used by traditional mathematicians.

By this matrix fantasy positional numeral system is defined as positional number system that enables deduction about non-fixed numbers, which are currently not accepted by traditional mathematicians, exactly because they define actual infinity in terms of the composed (in terms of collections).

As you know, more details are already given in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12412827&postcount=3095 , but now (in order to not be closed under subject|object duality) I suggested to exchange "object" by "thing".

More details are also given in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12584400&postcount=3285 and http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12587765&postcount=3286 (in this post the term "thing" is used ( NOthing can also be visually represented by . and YESthing can also be visually represented by __ , in addition to the symbolic representation {}, where the outest "{" and "}" are the same as __ and the void between {} is the same as . )).
 
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Here is a quote taken from https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/cusanus/#MetOnt about Nicolas of Cusa:

Nicholas then proposes some geometrical “exercises” to provide his readers some object lessons designed to teach how we might reach for the unlimited even while we are aware that we cannot grasp what the infinite God may be. For instance, we are to imagine a circle and a straight line or tangent that meets the circle. From a certain perspective, as the diameter or circumference of the circle increases, its circumference approaches the straight line and appears less and less curved. If we then imagine and extrapolate the circumference to the infinite, we can almost “see” that both straight tangent and curved circumference should coincide—a kind of “coincidence of opposites” that is a figure of how we may think beyond limited things toward the transcendent One.

Let's omit the "God stuff" and use the notion of the non-composed as follows:

The non-composed in our awareness exercise is defined as an endless non-composed straight 1-dimensional thing (...____...) and as a point (0-dimensional thing (.) .

By length observation ...____... is the biggest length and . is the smallest length.

By curvature observation ...____... is the smallest curvature and . is the biggest curvature.

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The most symmetrical thing which not ...____... AND not . , is called a circle.

There are endlessly many circles that share a common property known as PI, which is the invariant proportion between circle's circumference and circle's diameter.

So by this awareness exercise (which is done both visually AND verbally) no circle is ...____... or . (where ...____... or . are the extreme states that share the non-composed as their common property), whether it is observed in terms of length or in terms of curvature.

Yet ...____... and . are reachable from a given circle or a collection of given circles, by finitely many steps.

So finite collections (which are finitely composed things) are strong enough in order to actually reach ...____... or . non-composed extremes.

Therefore finite collections are defined as finitely weaker than the non-composed (which is the common property of ...____... and .).

On the contrary, infinite collections (which are infinitely composed things) are not strong enough in order to actually reach ...____... or . non-composed extremes.

Therefore infinite collections are defined as infinitely weaker than the non-composed (which is the common property of ...____... and .).

Generally, more you composed less you accessible to the non-composed (this observation is logically supported by visual_spatial AND verbal symbolic deduction, as given by https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3hcPBRBCzClX2xvRXRrWGdEVzQ/view?usp=sharing which rigorously demonstrates how endless upwards growth of the bivalent tree (which is the most basic logical structure) is developed in the opposite direction w.r.t the non-composed (called Unity in this diagram)).

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By generalization of the awareness exercise the non-composed (which is the common property of ...____... and .) is defined as actual infinity, where the composed is finitely weaker OR infinitely weaker than actual infinity.

The infinitely weaker than actual infinity is defined as potential infinity.

By this generalization, actual infinity (which is the non-composed) can't be measured or be used as a measurement of the composed, whether it is finitely OR infinitely composed.

So no collection (which is a composed thing ( circles' multiplicity is the result of not being ...____... AND not being . )) is mensurable in terms of actual infinity (which is the non-composed that is the common property of ...____... and .).

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Another aspect of this awareness exercise, is the ability to observe circles "objectively" (from the outside) from ...____... to the collection of circles, or "subjectively" (from the inside) from . to the collection of circles.

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What is given above can't be known by using verbal_symbolic-only observation, and unfortunately the treatment of modern mathematics (which is also known as traditional mathematics) of infinity, is done only in the domain of the composed, and because of this reason actual infinity is understood and defined in terms of the composed (in terms of collections).

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This Fundamental Conceptual Mistake simply prevents one of being aware of actual infinity (which is essentially non-composed).

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By being aware of the non-composed without being lost within its finite or infinitely many expressions, life phenomena is actually fulfilled.
 
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By http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12653709&postcount=3302 it is concluded that the whole (the non-composed) is not the sum of its expressions, which means that the non-composed is THE EXISTENCE (also called BEING, BRAHMAN, EIN-SOF, etc.) that is not limited by its collection of (finite or potentially infinite) expressions.

Life phenomenon that is aware of THE EXISTENCE during its collection of (finite or potentially infinite) expressions, has TRUE free will known also as Samādhi (also called Unity Consciousness).

But as you notice, no representation (visual_spatial, verbal_symbolic etc. or their associations) is THE EXISTENCE (The thing in itself).
 
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Zeno's Achilles\Tortoise Race

First, one has to define what are the minimal conditions that enable a race, in the first place.

Both in Mathematics and Physics there are primitive notions which are themselves undefined, and they are used as the building blocks of deduction or induction in order to avoid endless regression (An endless regression prevents a strict solution of some problem).

In that case we may ask: Is a solution is always a strict solution, or there are also solutions that are not strict (which means that endless regression (or endless progression) is also a possible solution)?

In order to demonstrate these notions, let's carefully observe, for example, point and line as primitive notions under Hilbert's axiom system of Euclidean Geometry:

"1. For every two points A and B there exists a line a that goes through A and goes through B ."

If we understand primitive notions in terms of atoms, then atoms are actually non-composed things (they are not defined by other building blocks since they are themselves building blocks).

In that case a line is not a collection of points (it is a non-composed thing exactly as a point is a non-composed thing) which means that the term "goes through" does not define a point as a building block of a line, and no collection of points is a line.

Now, by using these observations, let's carefully observe the minimal conditions that enable a race, in the first place.

If only a line is considered, we can't define points along the line that define at least two competitors.

If only a point is considered, then nor competitors neither a race path are definable.

So, the minimal conditions that enable a race is a line and at least two points along it, such that a point and a line are non-composed (they are not building blocks of each other and yet they can associate through their common property of being non-composed).

The existence of a line as a non-composed thing (as a building-block) is stronger then any collection of distinct points along it.

As a result, in order to actually reach a given point from another given point, it is done by a single non-composed line segment, which simultaneously connects the given pair of distinct points with each other.

Such connections, are always done by finitely many steps. Therefore, a finite collection of points is defined as finitely weaker than the existence of a line (which is a non-composed thing).

Moreover, by this observation, the existence of a line as a non-composed thing, defines it as actual infinity, which is reachable by a collection of finitely many steps (a finite collection is finitely weaker than actual infinity).

In that case a collection of infinitely many points along a given non-composed line is defined as infinitely weaker than actual infinity, and therefore its cardinality can't be defined by strict value (as done in case of finite cardinality), which means that infinite collections are no more than potential infinity that can't reach a given point by infinitely many steps.

Let's use the observation of clapping hands.

By this observation, one of your hands actually reaching your other hand only by finitely many steps, since finitely many steps are finitely weaker than actual infinity (which is the non-composed gap between your hands).

Since potential infinity is infinitely weaker than the non-composed gap between your hands, no infinitely many steps of your hand actually reaching your other hand (since potential infinity is inaccessible to actual infinity, by definition).

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Zeno's Achilles\Tortoise Race

It is argued that Zeno's Achilles\Tortoise Race is not a paradox in real life because we can summarize non-finite values (where each value > 0) that are added to some initial value. By doing that we are able to get an accurate value, which is different from the initial value. For example: 1 is the initial value and 1+1/2+1/4+1/8+…= 2, where 2 is an accurate value that is different from the initial value 1. Actually the whole idea of Limits is somehow motivated by the desire to solve Zeno's Paradox. Let us investigate two different cases of Achilles\Tortoise Race:

Case A: Achilles wins against the Tortoise OR Achilles and the Tortoise are on the same position, and the Race stops.

Case B: Achilles does not win against the Tortoise, and the Race continues (actually forever).


Case A:

Distance = Speed * Time

The next position of Achilles and the Tortoise along the Race = previous position + Distance.

Case A exists only if neither Speed nor Time are changed during the Race. Let us show it by using an algorithm (no particular programming language is used here):

Position X1 = 0

Position X2 = 10

Achilles Speed = Aspeed = 10

Tortoise Speed = Tspeed = 1

Time = 1

Do Loop K from 1 to forever

Achilles position = position X1 + distance ( = Aspeed * Time)

Tortoise position = position X2 + distance (= Tspeed * Time)

Position X1 = Achilles position

Position X2 = Tortoise position

If X1 ≥ X2 then STOP

Next Loop K


Loop K=1:

Achilles position = 0 + (10 * 1) = 10

Tortoise position = 10 + (1 * 1) = 11

Position X1 = Achilles position = 10

Position X2 = Tortoise position = 11

If X1 ≥ X2 then STOP

(The Race continues after Loop K=1, since Tortoise position > Achilles position)

Next Loop K=1


Loop K=2:

Achilles position = 10 + (10 * 1) = 20

Tortoise position = 11 + (1 * 1) = 12

Position X1 = Achilles position = 20

Position X2 = Tortoise position = 12 If

X1 ≥ X2 then STOP

(The Race stops after Loop K=2, since Tortoise position < Achilles position)

Next Loop K=2

Case A is finitely weaker than actual infinitely.

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Case B:

Distance = Speed * Time

In case B , Time is changed during the Race. Let us show it by using an algorithm (no particular programming language is used here):

Position X1 = 0

Position X2 = 10

Achilles Speed = Aspeed = 10

Tortoise Speed = Tspeed = 1

Time = 1

Do Loop K from 1 to forever

Achilles position = position X1 + distance ( = Aspeed * Time)

Tortoise position = position X2 + distance (= Tspeed * Time)

Position X1 = Achilles position

Position X2 = Tortoise position

If X1 ≥ X2 then STOP

Time = Time / Aspeed (Achilles Speed = Aspeed = 10)

Next Loop K


Loop K=1:

Achilles position = 0 + (10 * 1) = 10

Tortoise position = 10 + (1 * 1) = 11

Position X1 = Achilles position = 10

Position X2 = Tortoise position = 11

If X1 ≥ X2 then STOP

Time = Time / Aspeed (Achilles Speed = Aspeed = 10) = 0.1

(The Race continues after Loop K=1)

Next Loop K=1


Loop K=2:

Achilles position = 10 + (10 * 0.1) = 11

Tortoise position = 11 + (1 * 0.1) = 11.1

Position X1 = Achilles position = 11

Position X2 = Tortoise position = 11.1

If X1 ≥ X2 then STOP

Time = Time / Aspeed (Achilles Speed = Aspeed = 10) = 0.01

(The Race continues after Loop K=2)

Next Loop K=2


Loop K=3:

Achilles position = 11 + (10 * 0.01) = 11.1

Tortoise position = 11.1 + (1 * 0.01) = 11.11

Position X1 = Achilles position = 11.1

Position X2 = Tortoise position = 11.11

If X1 ≥ X2 then STOP

Time = Time / Aspeed (Achilles Speed = Aspeed = 10) = 0.001

(The Race continues after Loop K=3)

Next Loop K=3

...

Loop K n+1

The Race continues forever because any given position of Achilles and the Tortoise that comes next is the result of previous positions + Distances values, where each Distance value > 0 (Achilles position < Tortoise position is an invariant state).

Case B is infinitely weaker than actual infinitely.

For more details, please observe http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12653709&postcount=3302 .

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Traditional mathematicians take such loops as a sequence of partial sums.

For example, they are claim that 0.999... is not a term of the following sequence of partial sums: (0.9, 0.99, 0.999, ...)

Let's check this claim.

The result of
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        1
        ↓        2
0.9 = 0.9        ↓     3
0.99 = 0.9 ( + 0.09)   ↓
0.999 = 0.9+0.09 ( + 0.009)
...

Is actually the same as
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  1        2        3      ...
  ↓        ↓        ↓
0.9  +   0.09  +  0.009 +  ...

or in other words, 0.999... is embedded in (0.9, 0.99, 0.999, ...) even if it is not one of its exposed terms.

What we care is about the result of the series of infinitely many 0.9+0.09+0.009+... added finite numbers (where every one of them > 0) which are embedded in the infinitely many terms of the sequence (0.9, 0.99, 0.999, ...).

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Also we are aware that any infinite collection is infinitely weaker than actual infinity (which is non-composed, as observed in this post).
 
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Logic, numbers and fractals by visual_spatial AND verbal_symbolic reasoning

More you composed less you accessible to the non-composed (this observation is logically supported by visual_spatial AND verbal symbolic deduction, as given by the following diagram, which rigorously defines how endless upwards growth of the bivalent tree (which is the most basic logical structure) is developed in the opposite direction w.r.t the non-composed):
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Moreover, this diagram rigorously defines that actual infinity is reachable by finitely many steps (it is finitely weaker than actual infinity), where potential infinity is infinitely weaker than actual infinity exactly because it is developed in the opposite direction w.r.t actual infinity.

The bivalent tree is also the simplest form of an endless fractal.

Being an endless fractal is exactly the result of a non-composed domain of at least __ (1-dimensional thing) between any pair of non-composed . . (0-dimensional things) that are notated by "0" or "1" symbols along the endless fractal.



Exactly the same form ( given in
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) is used at the right side of the radix point, by the base 2 positional number system, where the "...1" part of the verbal_symbolic expression "0.000...1", defines a non-composed domain of at least __ (1-dimensional thing), which endlessly prevents 0.111...[base 2] from being equal to 1.000... (where no partial sums are involved along the endless fractal.

The verbal_symbolic-only mathematics simply omits the non-composed domain along the endless fractal, and as a result, there is no wonder that by such framework 0.111...[base 2] = 1.000... etc.
 
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Crank it up!

Loop K=2: Whaat????
Position X1 = Achilles position = 11 ---- Palyndromic Number # 2 = 2!
: 3113, 414, summed accretion = simoleon’s constant, here
$Position X2 = Tortoise position = 11.1

If X1 $ X2 then STOP THAT! IT JUST HURTS!
Achilles’ position = 10 + (10 * 0.1) = 11
See? All palindromic all over the place.

Tortoise poison = 11 + pi or fake infinity. None of your actual infinity, please.
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: Being unaware of the composted infinitely many expressions, life phenomena
is a plural singular.

Time = Time / Airspeed (Achilles Speed = As peed = ) means diddly
(The Race continues after Poop K=2.) .

Next doop K=2
Whut?
 
Do Godel's Incompleteness Theorems imply the inconsistency of ZFC+Axiom Of Infinity?

Maybe I mix up things, so in order to understand it properly I ask the following question:

According to Modern Mathematics (where the majority of mathematicians agree about the notion of actual infinite sets, as established mostly by George Cantor) an inductive set (as given by ZF(C) Axiom Of Infinity) has an accurate cardinality, which implies that it is complete (no one of its members is missing).

In other words, by ZF(C) Axiom Of Infinity there exists at least one infinite AND complete set (if we agree with the notion of actual infinity, as mostly established by Cantor).

Now, assume a complete set of infinite axioms (according to the reasoning of actual infinity, as established mostly by Cantor and agreed by the majority of modern mathematicians).

But by Godel's Incompleteness Theorems such set of axioms must be inconsistent.

In this case, isn't ZF(C) Axiom Of Infinity is some kind of a "Trojan horse" that prevents the consistency of ZF(C)?

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A similar (but not identical) question can be found in https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/309147/system-with-infinite-number-of-axioms (as much as I understand, it is only similar since it does not deal specifically with actual infinity).
 
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Also here is a quote taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_incompleteness_theorems

"The incompleteness theorems apply only to formal systems which are able to prove a sufficient collection of facts about the natural numbers. One sufficient collection is the set of theorems of Robinson arithmetic Q. Some systems, such as Peano arithmetic, can directly express statements about natural numbers. Others, such as ZFC set theory, are able to interpret statements about natural numbers into their language. Either of these options is appropriate for the incompleteness theorems."

Also please look how Completeness and Consistency are defined in the following links:

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_incompleteness_theorems#Completeness

2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_incompleteness_theorems#Consistency

Please read the answer in the given link in my previous post, about axiom schema.

As for ZF(C) Axiom Of Infinity, all I care is that an inductive set is defined in terms of actual infinity (which means that a set of infinitely many members is taken as completed whole (no one of its members is missing, for example: the set of all natural numbers) as done by accepting the independent existence of infinite sets (from us, the human beings) in a Platonic realm).
 
Against my better judgement, I am going to assume you are sincere in your last two posts and that this isn't just another opportunity for you tell us about your elite cognition skills that let you know things to be true by simple assumption.


First off, you seem to be conflating two uses of "complete", Cantor's and Godel's. Don't do that.

Second, you posts spent more time with meaningless asides than actually getting to your point. What Cantor established and what most mathematicians agree are all relevant. ZF and ZFC Set Theories have the Axiom of Infinity (as do many set theories). Period.

But even the Axiom of Infinity isn't all that important other than Godel's Incompleteness Theorem has as its basis a set theory that includes infinite sets.

Pushing aside all the irrelevant baggage from your posts leaves very little to go on, but I think you are trying to express the following:

  1. Godel's Incompleteness Theorems (GIT) apply to ZF and ZFC.
  2. Let A1 be the set of axioms that define ZFC. (We only need one for the exercise. I pick ZFC.)
  3. Assume ZFC is consistent (otherwise it wouldn't be all that useful). It must therefore be incomplete according to GIT. (Notice the setup for a proof by contradiction.)
  4. GIT can be used to construct a statement, G, in ZFC that cannot be proven in ZFC nor can its negation be proven.
  5. Let A2 be all of A1 plus G. That is, we are constructing a new version of ZFC in which G is an additional axiom.
  6. This new version of ZFC still must be incomplete.
  7. GIT can be used to construct a statement, G, in this extended ZFC that cannot be proven in the extended ZFC nor can its negation be proven.
  8. Let A3 be all of A2 plus G. That is, we are constructing a new version of the extended ZFC in which G is an additional axiom
  9. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Ok so far?

At some point, or so the argument goes, the axiom set A grows to an infinite size. Wouldn't that set then be complete (in the Cantor sense) and therefore complete (in the Godel sense) since all unprovable statements would have been added to the axiom set? And therefore wouldn't it be inconsistent (as required by Godel)?

No.

And the problem with the reasoning isn't easy to explain, but it rests mostly on difference between cardinal numbers and ordinal numbers. The subscript on the A is an ordinal. There is no last ordinal in the progression. When the axiom set "gets" to infinite size (cardinality), it still is incomplete in the Godel sense, and there is yet another G to be added to move the axiom set to the next ordinal.
 
And the problem with the reasoning isn't easy to explain, but it rests mostly on difference between cardinal numbers and ordinal numbers. The subscript on the A is an ordinal. There is no last ordinal in the progression. When the axiom set "gets" to infinite size (cardinality), it still is incomplete in the Godel sense, and there is yet another G to be added to move the axiom set to the next ordinal.

This implies that there does not exist a way to determine, when given a sentence s and an axiom set A, that s is a Godel sentence with respect to A? Is this related to the Halting Problem?
 
At some point, or so the argument goes, the axiom set A grows to an infinite size. Wouldn't that set then be complete (in the Cantor sense) and therefore complete (in the Godel sense) since all unprovable statements would have been added to the axiom set? And therefore wouldn't it be inconsistent (as required by Godel)?

No.

And the problem with the reasoning isn't easy to explain, but it rests mostly on difference between cardinal numbers and ordinal numbers. The subscript on the A is an ordinal. There is no last ordinal in the progression. When the axiom set "gets" to infinite size (cardinality), it still is incomplete in the Godel sense, and there is yet another G to be added to move the axiom set to the next ordinal.
Do you mean that Godel numbers are not restricted only to natural numbers?
 
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And the problem with the reasoning isn't easy to explain, but it rests mostly on difference between cardinal numbers and ordinal numbers.
I will rephrase my question: Are the natural numbers sufficient enough in order to define Godel numbering in order to logically establish Godel's first incompleteness theorem, or also infinite ordinals (for example, ω, ω+1, ω+2, ... etc.) must be used ?
 
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Do you mean that Godel numbers are not restricted only to natural numbers?

Start by enumerating the odd natural numbers: 1, 3, 5, ... By the "end" you got yourself an infinite set yet you still have natural numbers to add (all the even ones). Similarly, using GIT you can add G_1, G_2, G_3, ... to your axiom set A. By the "end" you got yourself an infinite axiom set yet you still have G's to add.

Now suppose rather than using GIT to "spew out" one G at a time, you have a function IS_GODEL(s, A) which, given a sentence s and an axiom set A, tells you if s is a Godel sentence with respect to A (ie s is un(dis)provable from A). Then you can go through all G's in a different way, go through all possible sentences (finite strings in a finite alphabet, trivially enumerable) and for each one check IS_GODEL(s, A) and, if so, add s to A. When you get to the "end" that way you have added every G (you've gone through every possible sentence, including every possible G). The set A would now be consistent and complete. So we conclude that IS_GODEL does not exist.

An example of IS_GODEL could be constructed as follows. Let PROOF_VER(p, s, A) be a proof verification function, returning true iff p is a sound proof of s or ~s from axiom set A. Let PROOF_GEN(s, A) be the following function:
{
for each finite string p: if PROOF_VER(p, s, A) then Halt
}

Then let IS_GODEL(s, A) be the following function:
{
return false iff PROOF_GEN(s, A) halts
}

And since IS_GODEL does not exist, therefor it is undecidable whether PROOF_GEN halts. Which is why I asked whether this was related to the Halting problem.
 
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Start by enumerating the odd natural numbers: 1, 3, 5, ... By the "end" you got yourself an infinite set yet you still have natural numbers to add (all the even ones). Similarly, using GIT you can add G_1, G_2, G_3, ... to your axiom set A
This is not the case with ZF(C) Axiom Of Infinity as the basis of infinite axiom set A, since no member is missing by this axiom (or more precisely, no Godel number which is used to encode G, is missing).

Since nothing is missing, then infinite axiom set A is complete and therefore inconsistent by Godel's first incompleteness theorem.

jsfisher tries to eliminate my question by using the difference between cardinals (related only to collection's size) and ordinals (related to collection's order), but since ZF(C) Axiom Of Infinity is the basis of infinite axiom set A (and also the basis of Godel's numbers (i.e. the natural numbers) which are used to encode G), no G can be added to A.

In other words, A is complete and therefore inconstant, exactly because A and Godel's numbers are established by the same axiom, ZF(C) Axiom Of Infinity.

So, by accepting the set of natural numbers in terms of actual infinity (which means that there exists a complete set of infinitely many natural numbers) as established by ZF(C) Axiom Of Infinity, and by using all of them in order to encode G's, No extension of A is logically possible, so A is complete and therefore inconsistent.

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jsfisher said:
No.

And the problem with the reasoning isn't easy to explain, but it rests mostly on difference between cardinal numbers and ordinal numbers. The subscript on the A is an ordinal. There is no last ordinal in the progression. When the axiom set "gets" to infinite size (cardinality), it still is incomplete in the Godel sense, and there is yet another G to be added to move the axiom set to the next ordinal.
Does not provide any answer to my question.
 
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jsfisher tries to eliminate my question by using the difference between cardinals (related only to collection's size) and ordinals (related to collection's order)

Correctly so. The sets 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ... and 1, 3, 5, ..., 2, 4, 6, ... have the same cardinal number but different ordinal numbers. I tried to find a way around it by using a specific enumeration such that nothing is "skipped" by the time the set becomes infinite, but ended up with the halting problem. Either way, I have no interest in further discussing this with you, you should discuss it with jsfisher instead. I simply stumbled upon the halting problem when trying to get around his argument as I read the paragraph I quoted, so I asked him about it.

So, by accepting the set of natural numbers in terms of actual infinity (which means that there exists a complete set of infinitely many natural numbers) as established by ZF(C) Axiom Of Infinity, and by using all of them in order to encode G's, No extension of A is logically possible, so A is complete and therefore inconsistent.

Of course the set of all possible sentences is inconsistent. Both "1 + 1 = 2" and "1 + 1 = 3" would be in that set.
 
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Of course the set of all possible sentences is inconsistent. Both "1 + 1 = 2" and "1 + 1 = 3" would be in that set.
In that case, do you agree that anything that is established by ZF(C) Axiom Of Infinity in terms of actual infinity, is logically inconsistent (whether is the infinite set of all natural numbers, or the infinite axiom set A)?
 
In that case, do you agree that anything that is established by ZF(C) Axiom Of Infinity in terms of actual infinity, is logically inconsistent (whether is the infinite set of all natural numbers, or the infinite axiom set A)?

Of course not, don't be silly. Fundamentally your problem is that you are too attached to your ideas, you can not accept that your claim has been proven wrong. Your aversion to cognitive dissonance is ultimately a psychological problem and not a mathematical one, so I can't help you with that. Learn to enjoy disproving your own ideas, it is the only way to learn, if it can be destroyed by proof then it should be - also, see the last quote in my signature.
 
Correctly so. The sets 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ... and 1, 3, 5, ..., 2, 4, 6, ... have the same cardinal number but different ordinal numbers.
It does not matter, since all we care (if we accept actual infinity) is that all Godel's numbers (no matter how they are ordered) are already used to encode all G's, and therefore no G is added to A, which means that A is complete and therefore inconsistent.

Since ZF(C) Axiom Of Infinity is taken in terms of Cantorean actual infinity, don't you think that, by using Godel first incompleteness theorem, such that The Axiom Of Infinity "works" as an expansion mechanism on ZF(C), we logically get complete and therefore inconsistent axiomatic system?
 
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Since ZF(C) Axiom Of Infinity is taken in terms of Cantorean actual infinity, don't you think that, by using Godel first incompleteness theorem, such that The Axiom Of Infinity "works" as an expansion mechanism on ZF(C), we logically get complete and therefore inconsistent axiomatic system?

Yes, of course the set of all possible sentences is complete and inconsistent. GOTO 3316 and don't come out of the loop until you understand that.
 
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