Caustic Logic
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You have all the talking points down! Yes, there had been precedent for such abuses, hence the use of purge lists. There was reason from this precedent to try for a complete list. Did they go overboard in general? No one I've heard of yet were told they couldn't vote since they were dead. The one woman at least was perhaps deleted for resembling someone who had moved. It's only on the felon purge list we see systemic error with genuine effect. Now it's often noted that felons vote overwhelmingly Democrat, which would effect those who WERE felons, but not necc. those whose names resemble felons.But that Chapter Five also explains why Florida was so actively purging the rolls of dead people, felons and those who had moved:
Discussion of the infamous 1997 Miami race is here:
So you set the standards for striking someone from the rolls loosely, purging more than is necessary, with the understanding that people can object. See also here, from that same chapter five:
Of those voters who contacted the FDLE to appeal the notice from a local supervisor of elections that they were ineligible to vote, approximately 50 percent were found to be convicted of felonies in Florida and 50 percent were determined to not have Florida felony convictions.[88]
Interesting. I haven't read all this stuff myself, including this. Okay, Fl Dep of Law Enforcement was involved in this project:
Thaere's a lot of detail there for some reason. $8 per record, 13,190 which means $105,520 if they checked all. Then... 5000 people of the 13,190 call in and request a check - and half are still wrongly listed. Or am I getting the order wrong?The Division of Elections, in addition to paying over $3 million to DBT Online, compensated the Florida Department of Law Enforcement for its role in the removal of felons from the voter rolls. In addition to its own toll-free hotline for voters who wished to confirm their eligibility status,[84] the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) performed record checks on a listing of 13,190 alleged felons in December 1999.[85] At a cost of $8 per record, the Division of Elections received an invoice for $105,520 from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.[86] The FDLE responded to approximately 5,000 voters whose names appeared on the felon exclusion list.[87] Of those voters who contacted the FDLE to appeal the notice from a local supervisor of elections that they were ineligible to vote, approximately 50 percent were found to be convicted of felonies in Florida and 50 percent were determined to not have Florida felony convictions.[88]
There's logic to that. It's also possible a lot of the people weren't properly informed.Sounds like 50-50 among those purged, but those are only the people who appealed the notice; presumably among those who did not appeal the rate of Florida felony convictions was probably much higher.
Although Florida election law required that the supervisors of elections, who received the exclusion lists compiled by Professional Analytical Systems & Services and DBT Online, attempt to verify the accuracy of those lists,[129] it appears that this procedure was not followed with any degree of uniformity.
Each county election supervisor decided their own metod of verification, with different alert letters. Ex - see Leahy's and Sancho's letters (ch 5 search). Accused were given 30 days to respond or else I guess the listing stood.
Interestingly, there was an earlier exclusion list for the 2000 election made by Professional Analytical Systems & Services (PASS) in 1998. Director of Elections Edith Baxter sent out numerous memos in 1998 regarding the lists, advising extra vigilance to county supervisors to be sure and verify felons, as the lists may be well in error and if there was doubt, let them vote prov. at least. DBT supplied two lists in 1999 and 2000. Sometime prior to the election, Baxter was replaced with Clayton Roberts. All the talk I've seen of errors with the rolls in in 1998 and after the election.
That I'll have to look into further.Now, I don't know why those who objected weren't allowed to cast provisional ballots; that seems to have varied by polling location according to the testimony.
The 15% is from ch 5 "Professor Darryl Paulson testified that the Hillsborough County supervisor of elections estimated that 15 percent of those purged were purged in error and they were disproportionately African American." The 95 is a reading of Sancho's findings in Leon county. All we can really say is he found it at least 5% correct and helpful, the rest is unverified, I don't think we can say its all wrong as Palast does.Is that a range among several counties? As noted above, right about half of the people who appealed were found to have been guilty of a felony; among those who did not appeal I'm sure it was substantially higher.
So... we have error of some size ... corrections of some degree ... unfixed error and people blocked from voting, uncertain number ... at one end Florida state policy setting the formula that led to error, and on the other the benefits to be reaped from this contextless Florida election thing.
