Debunker says what?

Left and right but no recordings? I don't believe him.

Try tossing a small cylinder of compressed gas in your hypothetical fireplace and see what happens.

In the US we can get small (12 gram) C02 cylinders at hobby shops and other places.

(FOR THE RECORD, DON'T REALLY DO THIS)
 
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How far of a distance are we talking about and how do you know?

Come on. Learn me something.

lol

Come on HI, you're using some of the eyewitnesses' testimony to the "it sounded like bombs." Where were your eyewitnesses located? Once you find that out, the distance isn't hard to figure.

So, in terms of distance, how far from the building were your eyewitnesses?
 
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How about the Truthers in this thread coming up with witnesses who believe there actually were bombs and/or controlled demolitions on 9/11 instead of torturing their words to fit your predetermined conclusions.

I'll get you started:
1) Willie Rodriguez

Who else have you got?
 
Read it. And unless you can debunk it all instead of just cherry pick like Gravey then don't bother at all. There are plenty.

Here are the full transcripts. For a couple years I read the transcript for every name given me by someone like you. None of them describe man-made demolition.

Transcripts of NYFD responders at WTC on 911
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/
20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html
http://preview.tinyurl.com/7e62l
 
Apparently nothing caught on tape according to you.

Obviously you missed or misunderstood the question, so I'll clarify it for you. In your quest to find answers, here is your premise: It took an airliner and subsequent fires to cause the collapse of the towers...The debunker story as you deem it.

Now we have the truther claim: Controlled demolition

So you are arguing semantics in a manner of "Ok debunkers, why would it take tons of explosives for CD when it took just one airliner?"

So before we go to step 3, in what manner will you proceed to distinguish facts?
 
Let's get to the meat(strawman) of your post.

Now we have the truther claim: Controlled demolition

I didn't claim that. If it was a controlled demolition it wasn't in the traditional sense of the term. I do believe it was mostly a gravity driven collapse (like a lot of cd's). I just find it hard to believe the upper so-called block had no help with the resistance it encountered during the collapse. Which wasn't covered by NIST.

Explosive devices could have been in the building. Maybe even put there by the boogeyman terrorists themselves for a followup attack to kill first responders and compromise the core. They tried in 93 to get a bomb by a structural support. They knew what it took.

But again maybe by someone else other then the boogeymen.

In any case it wasn't investigated and physical evidence was systematically destroyed.
 
of course, but there are also witness accounts of explosions "like a bomb" and recorded sounds of explosions, which -could be caused by bombs-.

Do you know what a simile is?

Also if they were bombs that could take down a building then they would have been heard by a lot more people.

If the explosions were from bombs why were they not heard by more people from outside?

Why did the producers of truther videos need to add fake explosion sounds to their videos?

I have asked these questions of Homeland Insurgency, but so far he has been unable to answer them.
 
The maximum distance any alleged explosive CD device could be placed from an external building face was 104 feet. 60 feet of which was uninterrupted clear span.

Here are the core column cross sections as shown on the blueprints in plan view

95th floor (impact level north tower)
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/docs/core95th.png


80th floor (impact level south tower)
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/docs/core80th.png

NIST column section data
http://wtcmodel.wikidot.com/nist-core-column-data

For a CD, Charges would have to be sufficient to cut column sections that were strong enough at that level to carry a 15 or 30 story buildings. Compare the decibel level to CD explosions needed for 15 or 20 story buildings at their base

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There were no forceful ejections of debris consistent with CD charges seen in any videos preceding the collapse wave.

Here is a sideshow/video of debris being "systematically destroyed" :rolleyes:



GZ and fresh kills sites

In addition to the estimated 10,000 Fire Department of New York (FDNY) personnel, an estimated 30,000 other workers and volunteers potentially were exposed to numerous psychological stressors, environmental toxins, and other physical hazards. http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5335a1.htm
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Because of ongoing fire activity and the large numbers of civilians and rescue workers who were killed during the attacks, approximately 11,000 FDNY firefighters and many emergency medical service (EMS) personnel worked on or directly adjacent to the rubble and incurred substantial exposures. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
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OSHA calculates that in over 3.7 million work hours, only 57 non-life threatening injuries were recorded at the WTC site. http://www.pdhealth.mil/library/down...Health%20Admin istration%20Response.pdf
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You’re dealing with a work scene that, in the first week or two, had probably two to three thousand, if not more, emergency responders on the scene. Pretty much 24 hours a day. All of them with various backgrounds and training. You had construction workers, you had heavy-equipment operators, you had medical workers, firefighters, police officers, hygienists, military personnel. All of them with different levels of training, different types of equipment. So you had to try and logistically bring in all of the equipment for these people. You’re bringing in multiple manufacturers and vendors. —Firefighter-special operations panel member http://www.rand.org/pubs/conf_procee.../CF176.ch2.pdf
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Fresh Kills Crime Scene Info * The site covered 175 acres. * 24 local, state, and federal agencies participated, with as many as 1,000 workers a day * 17,000 tons of material were processed daily. * 55 FBI Evidence Response Teams worked the site -- over 1,000 agents -- plus FBI medics, safety officers, and other specialists. * New York Evidence Response Team members worked over 8,000 hours at the site, at the morgue, and at Ground Zero -- and one, Special Agent Gerry Fornino, personally worked over 1,818 hours at the vehicle recovery operation with the Port Authority and NYPD. Source: http://www.fbi.gov/page2/nov03/nyhs112703.htm
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Number of U.S. Customs Agency Volunteers working search and inspection at Fresh Kills Landfill: at least 193 http://www.cbp.gov/xp/CustomsToday/2...y_location.xml
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from RECOVERY: THE WORLD TRADE CENTER RECOVERY OPERATION AT FRESH KILLS (PDF of Traveling Exhibit) The exhibition chronicles the quiet history after September 11. The days at Fresh Kills ended as discreetly as they began. Debris removal at Ground Zero ended on June 28, 2002. The sorting at Fresh Kills officially ended on July 2 at 1:02 p.m. Recovered from the 1.8 million tons of material inspected: 4,257 human remains helped bring closure to hundreds of families; 54,000 personal items and 4,000 photographs, many returned to their owners; 1,358 personal and departmental vehicles; and thousands of tons of steel. The numbers are difficult to process, but these images begin to tell the story. The Police, FBI, City Sanitation workers, and the thousands who worked there made history “on the hill.” The hill that overlooks downtown Manhattan where the towers once stood is now changed forever – Mark Schaming Director of Exhibitions and Programs New York State Museum Above exhibit thanks to these organizations working at Fresh Kills: The New York Police Department The New York Fire Department The Federal Bureau of Investigation New York City Department of Sanitation Phillips and Jordan, Inc. The Fresh Kills Incident Commander, NYPD Inspector James Luongo, Lt. Bruce Bovino, FBI Special Agents Richard Marx and Gerry Fornino, the FBI Evidence Response Team, the NYPD Recovery Team, the Port Authority Police Department, NYC Department of Sanitation, and all the people from the World Trade Center Recovery Operation
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U.S. Army Corps of Engineers receives Fresh Kills debris management contract http://sept11.wasteage.com/ar/waste_...resh/index.htm
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400 FBI Agents working at Fresh Kills (and some taking souvenirs?) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4373627/
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As you know, on September 11, 2001, Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and New York Police Department (NYPD) detectives were dispatched to the Fresh Kills Landfill on Staten Island, New York to process the debris of the World Trade Center (WTC) for physical evidence and human remains. This recovery effort, the largest and longest in the FBI's history, resulted in 1.8 million tons of debris being collected and examined by twenty-four federal, state, and local agencies. On September 12, 2001, I was designated to lead and coordinate this effort as an Evidence Response Team (ERT) Leader. This operation ceased in August 2002. –Richard B. Marx, Special Agent http://www.ussartf.org/news.htm Engineer salvage yard visits for steel inspection As of March 15, 2002, a total of 131 engineer visits had been made to these yards on 57 separate days. An engineer visit typically ranged from a few hours to an entire day at a salvage yard. The duration of the visits, number of visits per yard, and the dates the yards were visited varied, depending on the volume of steel being processed, the potential significance of the steel pieces being found, salvage yard activities, weather, and other factors. Sixty-two engineer trips were made to Jersey City, 38 to Keasbey, 15 to Fresh Kills, and 16 to Newark. Three trips made in October included several ASCE engineers. Eleven engineer trips were made in November, 41 in December, 43 in January, 28 in February, and 5 through March 15, 2002. Source: FEMA WTC report, Appendix D
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With all the teams of investigators at both fresh kills and GZ. no evidence of controlled demolition devices were found as they literally combed through the debris.
 
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A number of you don't seem to have read the mod box earlier in this thread to to be civil and polite, either that or you ignored it.

So this one is a bit harsher. Cut out the personal attacks right now or face infractions and possibly suspensions. All of you, on both sides of the issue. Consider that fact that I'm not infracting anyone right now my little gift to you. Don't make it a parting gift.
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Let's get to the meat(strawman) of your post.



I didn't claim that. If it was a controlled demolition it wasn't in the traditional sense of the term. I do believe it was mostly a gravity driven collapse (like a lot of cd's). I just find it hard to believe the upper so-called block had no help with the resistance it encountered during the collapse. Which wasn't covered by NIST.

Explosive devices could have been in the building. Maybe even put there by the boogeyman terrorists themselves for a followup attack to kill first responders and compromise the core. They tried in 93 to get a bomb by a structural support. They knew what it took.

But again maybe by someone else other then the boogeymen.

In any case it wasn't investigated and physical evidence was systematically destroyed.

They DID get a bomb by a structural support. But, the supports were too strong for the bomb.

Bombs did not go off that day. I was there, I heard what happened, and it wasn't bombs going off.
 
The maximum distance any alleged explosive CD device could be placed from an external building face was 104 feet. 60 feet of which was uninterrupted clear span.

So 44 feet of interrupted by what? Thanks.

Here are the core column cross sections as shown on the blueprints in plan view

95th floor (impact level north tower)
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/docs/core95th.png


80th floor (impact level south tower)
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/docs/core80th.png

NIST column section data
http://wtcmodel.wikidot.com/nist-core-column-data

For a CD, Charges would have to be sufficient to cut column sections that were strong enough at that level to carry a 15 or 30 story buildings. Compare the decibel level to CD explosions needed for 15 or 20 story buildings at their base

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There were no forceful ejections of debris consistent with CD charges seen in any videos preceding the collapse wave.

I didn't claim CD in your sense :rolleyes: of the term.

Here is a sideshow/video of debris being "systematically destroyed" :rolleyes:



GZ and fresh kills sites

With all the teams of investigators at both fresh kills and GZ. no evidence of controlled demolition devices were found as they literally combed through the debris.

No one also found over a thousand victims, black boxes, and most of the aircraft's claimed to have hit the towers.

And those things were being looked for. Supposedly according to debunkers very thoroughly.

Who was looking for explosives evidence? And even if they were why would it have been found in light of everything else still not accounted for?
 

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