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deep44 said:
Right. Please understand: if (HYPOTHETICALLY) one of these eyewitnesses really did hear a bomb, would that prove the CD hypothesis? No, of course not. Bombs come in all shapes & sizes, with varying levels of destructive ability. The presence of one bomb does not prove the presence of multiple-tons of explosives, or anything like that.

Please stop associating my argument with the CD hypothesis.
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Given the information we have, which do you think is more likely:

1) Ultimately useless bombs were randomly planted in the towers by persons unknown for reasons unknown.

2) Loud explosions occurred as an expected result of two 110-story buildings crashing to the ground.
 
I don't recall addressing that statement to anyone in praticular there Sparkplug.

I do recall making a general statement though, addressing it to nobody really. Am I wrong???
 
johnny karate said:
Given the information we have, which do you think is more likely:

1) Ultimately useless bombs were randomly planted in the towers by persons unknown for reasons unknown.

2) Loud explosions occurred as an expected result of two 110-story buildings crashing to the ground.
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Your two options are not mutually exclusive.

I will say, again, that there is no proof that bombs or explosives were in any of the three buildings.
 
triforcharity said:
Ok, so why are you here deep??? Please explain what you are arguing here for???
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Why am I here, in this thread? Because there's obviously a misunderstanding about certain eyewitness accounts, and I'm here to discuss that - in a friendly and lively way.
 
Ok, what's your stance??

Were there bombs in the building?? Were the eyewitnesses statements taaken out of context??
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
How do I turn you people around every time?
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It's all in your mind HI. You're just a legend in your own mind.

The buildings collapsed HI, that's a fact. They really did. Now after 7+ years, the alleged explosions during the towers collapse have not been linked with demolition material in terms of anything substantial. There's no evidence.
 
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Homeland Insurgency said:
So there were explosions and sounds of explosions now?
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Please show a post by a debunker here saying there were not explosions inside the buildings.

If the explosions were from bombs why were they not heard by more people from outside?

Why did the producers of truther videos need to add fake explosion sounds to their videos?
 
deep44 said:
Your two options are not mutually exclusive.

I will say, again, that there is no proof that bombs or explosives were in any of the three buildings.
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The fact that none of the countless video cameras recorded any explosions consitant with any man-made explosions, let alone explosions synchronized with the collapse of any building is proof.

The 1993 bombing was heard by all the occupants of the two towers and all over the 16+ acres of the plaza. It wasn't large enough to do any structural damage. Any man-made demolition explosive would have to be even louder.

The re was no such explosion heard or recorded.
 
AJM8125 said:
Dumbest. Thread. EVER.

So let me get this straight, HI finds an article about a bunch of lazy security guards getting busted and this somehow makes a case for explosives being planted on 9/11?

I work in property management. Let me clear up a few things:

I could drive a tank past my security staff if I wanted to. This is why there are others measures taken in a properly managed building. Most tenants have their own security measures, building staff such as housekeeping, engineering, valets and such have their own security routines they follow. Elevator techs are fiercely protective of their cars and hoistways becuase tampering with elevator equipment is often fatal on the rare occassion when it happens.

So why even hire uniformed guards to begin with? My insurance requires it.

What you wind up with is layers of security that prevent people from doing things like, you know, ripping down walls in the middle of the night or having nefarious agents scurrying about in elevator shafts. There's other measures we take too, but I'll play those close to chest for the moment.

Hope that clears things up, but I doubt it. HI will go on thinking that building managers rely on one level of security and a poor one at that. This is the same guy that wonders why his barbeque won't melt like the "steel in the towers did", need I remind you. lol
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The people in the investigation I posted didn't just get past the guards. And it wasn't in just one building.

What happened to all the layers of security beyond the guard in these post 9/11 cases?

See how you never clear anything up?

See how you never debunk anything?
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
That is correct deep44. Just like there is no proof of removed fire-proofing or thermal expansion.
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Fireproofing wasn't "removed". It was inadequate in the first place.

Source: Building collapse - V Dunn
http://snurl.com/j54ud [books_google_com]
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Robertson didn't consider gas fuel load
http://snurl.com/j54gc [books_google_com]​

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Question from FDNY Lieutenant's test: "how much does a 100 ft bam expand at 1200 degF
http://snurl.com/j5434 [books_google_com]
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Homeland Insecurity - The fact that you or I could smuggle a few ounces of ANYTHING into ANYWHERE does not mean that it was even remotely possible to smuggle MANY TONS of explosive and then CUT WALLS to install them, and WIRE THEM TO DETONATORS, and blow up a major occupied building without being detected and stopped.

If you think that's possible, you are not really in touch with reality on any level.
 
deep44 said:
Why am I here, in this thread? Because there's obviously a misunderstanding about certain eyewitness accounts, and I'm here to discuss that - in a friendly and lively way.
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Foot covering alert.
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
Try searching the debunker term hush-a-boom.
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Are you lying about is meant by hush-a-boom or do you not understand it?

Also questions from my previous post that you ignored:

If the explosions were from bombs why were they not heard by more people from outside?

Why did the producers of truther videos need to add fake explosion sounds to their videos?
 
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