Debunker says what?

[dtugg]

I've had the feeling for some time now that they are moving towards some kind of admission that explosives were used in the WTC on 9/11. Not that they have any choice really what with all the powerful evidence that is gathering and slowly permeating society- mainstream media or no mainstream media..

Equally I have the strong impression that any admission will be coupled with the absolute insistance that Al-Quaeda was at the root of the explosives too. That's one of the reasons I find the article you post so interesting. It may be part of layng the groundwork for a statement that Al-Quaeda or their agents smuggled the explosives into the WTC.

It would be a high-risk strategy to be sure but there may be few other realistic choices for the perps.

A useful spinoff for the Truth Movement would be the fact that we woud be instantly rehabillitated- heroes even.

No, there were no explosives (or superdupernanothem*te) in the towers, planted by al Qaeda or anybody else. The evidence to support this is non existent despite what your fraudulent heroes say. Nobody is ever going to "admit" that there were any explosives and you are even crazier than I thought if you actually believe this.

 

[bill smith]

No, there were no explosives (or superdupernanothem*te) in the towers, planted by al Qaeda or anybody else. The evidence to support this is non existent despite what your fraudulent heroes say. Nobody is ever going to "admit" that there were any explosives and you are even crazier than I thought if you actually believe this.

If it does happen dtugg, it is all over for you debunkers. Your raison d'etre evaporates instantly as our star rises.

 

[peteweaver]

How does that fairytale go again? You know, the one about how explosives could never have gotten close to the WTC because of all the security and people who would have witnessed it?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/08/national/main5143545.shtml?tag=stack

Bomb Materials Smuggled into Fed Buildings

Whaaa...?

How did that happen?

Did they strip away walls, remove fireproofing, and place thousands of very heavy explosive charges to the steelwork with nobody noticing ? No.

 

[dtugg]

If it does happen dtugg, it is all over for you debunkers. Your raison d'etre evaporates instantly as our star rises.

But it never will. Not even a remote possibility. You keep on wishing though. How crushing will it be for you to die knowing that your fantasies were never fulfilled? The thought of it brings a smile to my face.

 

[eromitlab]

If it does happen dtugg, it is all over for you debunkers. Your raison d'etre evaporates instantly as our star rises.

How many times have you said something along the lines of "it's over for the debunkers?" Your career record, 0 for whatever-the-number-is. Now Jones and Harrit run from supermegaultrananothermite and theorize about conventional explosives. Harrit claims there were tons. Jones thinks the magic nanothermite that odds are doesn't even exist in reality may have been used as nothing more than fuses for conventional explosives. The truth movement's rising star is nothing more than a truther making a circle in the sky with a flashlight; symbolic of the truth movement always recursively returning to where they started after moving the goalposts all the way around the world. Now two of the truth movement's most precious scientists are back at conventional explosives at WTC, and now truthers have to toss out old talking points to make excuses for thousands of workers on the pile not finding a single unexploded charge, a single blasting cap, a millimeter of det cord, anything that would indicate CD.

It may not be over for the truthers, not as long as they can recycle with such vigor that Al Gore ought to give them an award for it, but it's not looking good, and any statements to the contrary provide proof of truthers' inability to grasp reality and general preference towards clinging to fantasy.

 

[Foolmewunz]

I've had the feeling for some time now that.....

I found this note in a drawer when I was cleaning out my desk.

Oct 20 1983
Dear Foolmewunz,
I have this feeling.... take Grenada plus the points. What can the USMC possibly do against a bunch of highly trained and committed soldiers fighting to protect their own homeland?
Sincerely
Bill S

Yeah, I'd go with your hunches, Bill. You've got such a sterling track record that right now if you told me it will soon be Saturday in Fremantle, I'd bet on Wednesday.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I've had the feeling for some time now that they are moving towards some kind of admission that explosives were used in the WTC on 9/11. Not that they have any choice really what with all the powerful evidence that is gathering and slowly permeating society- mainstream media or no mainstream media..

Equally I have the strong impression that any admission will be coupled with the absolute insistance that Al-Quaeda was at the root of the explosives too. That's one of the reasons I find the article you post so interesting. It may be part of layng the groundwork for a statement that Al-Quaeda or their agents smuggled the explosives into the WTC.

It would be a high-risk strategy to be sure but there may be few other realistic choices for the perps.

A useful spinoff for the Truth Movement would be the fact that we would be instantly rehabillitated- heroes even.

HI is ignoring the question, so I'm going to ask you, Bill.

Was the amount of fake bombs smuggled during this law enforcement test less than the 48,000 needed for the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers and WTC7?

And if so, how much less?

 

[Dave Rogers]

A useful spinoff for the Truth Movement would be the fact that we would be instantly rehabillitated- heroes even.

And there you have it, people; the truther mindset in a nutshell. It's interesting from two points of view. Firstly, there's the local-kid-catches-crooks angle, where the conspiracy theorists want to be hailed as heroes because they figured it all out with their Dick Tracey decoder rings. It's sad that they have so little self-esteem that they think it would take something as enormous as the exposure of the crime of the century to make them feel good about themselves; many of us can take pride in the achievement of more realistic goals. But the flip side is in the mis-spelled desire for rehabilitation. These are people who feel themselves to be disenfranchised and excluded from society. They're standing outside looking through the window at the party that's going on inside, and complaining that they've been excluded. They can't even see that the door is open, and it's by their own choice that they're out in the cold.

Bill, I try to assume that you're simply trolling more out of concern than out of a desire to discount the validity of your views. If your attitude here is genuine, then I'm genuinely sorry for you, because the rehabilitation and acclaim you so desperately feel you need will never be there for you. Maybe some day you'll realise that you don't actually need any of it; it's a process called "growing up".

Dave

 

[tsig]

http://www.slate.com/id/2134394/

But their noses can't be relied on there. "I wouldn't want to be the one who put it out to the public that the emperor has no clothes," the head of a large urban bomb squad told me. But "dogs do not function in the way everyone thinks." It is, quite simply, "bull****," he says, to think that dogs can walk through subway cars, or sniff people entering turnstiles, and detect whether they've brought explosives along for the ride.

lol

Wow now you're even dissin' the dogs. Were they in on it too?

 

[bill smith]

And there you have it, people; the truther mindset in a nutshell. It's interesting from two points of view. Firstly, there's the local-kid-catches-crooks angle, where the conspiracy theorists want to be hailed as heroes because they figured it all out with their Dick Tracey decoder rings. It's sad that they have so little self-esteem that they think it would take something as enormous as the exposure of the crime of the century to make them feel good about themselves; many of us can take pride in the achievement of more realistic goals. But the flip side is in the mis-spelled desire for rehabilitation. These are people who feel themselves to be disenfranchised and excluded from society. They're standing outside looking through the window at the party that's going on inside, and complaining that they've been excluded. They can't even see that the door is open, and it's by their own choice that they're out in the cold.

Bill, I try to assume that you're simply trolling more out of concern than out of a desire to discount the validity of your views. If your attitude here is genuine, then I'm genuinely sorry for you, because the rehabilitation and acclaim you so desperately feel you need will never be there for you. Maybe some day you'll realise that you don't actually need any of it; it's a process called "growing up".

Dave

lol.You really should think about that career in pop-psychology Dave.

 

[doobiedoright]

http://www.slate.com/id/2134394/

But their noses can't be relied on there. "I wouldn't want to be the one who put it out to the public that the emperor has no clothes," the head of a large urban bomb squad told me. But "dogs do not function in the way everyone thinks." It is, quite simply, "bull****," he says, to think that dogs can walk through subway cars, or sniff people entering turnstiles, and detect whether they've brought explosives along for the ride.

lol

As someone who trains said K9's please tell me how you think they function?
I can assure you k9's can and do smell and see scents from people entering turnstiles and detect if they have drugs,bombs or may have just committed a crime!
I cant wait to hear you explain to me that this is not possible!

 

[doobiedoright]

Yeah right. They were gonna clear out the WTC weeks before 9/11 every time a dog sat down just because it was tired.

You very clearly have no clue what your talking about!
Tell you what,I am willing to share my knowledge with you but the first thing you must do is meet some of my 4 legged friends,then it is on with the bite suit for you......Have fun I sure do!

 

[doobiedoright]

And I guess you've never had a dog, either?

Do you know how much dogs love to please and actually enjoy working? They think of it as play. It's better and more fun than sitting in a cage in the security office.

Ask mommy to get you a doggie. Then throw a stick or a ball for it for about four hours. See who gets tired first, you or Rover.

Further, do you understand that it's a working dog and when it's on the job sitting means one thing and when it's not on the job sitting means another? As has been attributed to Freud, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". The handler will know if the dog is resting or has found something. (And many are trained to SCRATCH AT the offending area, or to yelp a few times. Once again, the article is nonsense.)

Your post is about 95% correct.
If you dont mind let me correct one small thing for you.
I will never train a bomb dog to scratch.........the resulting boom maybe bad for the both of us.
Bomb dogs will be trained to sit!
As for what they can and can not smell.......for obvious reasons that must remain a mystery!

 

[triforcharity]

And Jet fuel can cut steel columns or was it the building content fire? Thermal expansion?

So it was RDX or HDX that cause the collapses? Really?

Genius?

lol

Jet fuel didn't need to cut the columns. The only thing tht needed to happen was for it to damage the columns, break the welds/splice plates, and heat the interrior floor trusses. Hence, the 767 flying into it!!

No, no RDX or HDX were in the building.

 

[triforcharity]

Really? You need RDX or HDX right? Was the RDX or HDX on one of the planes?

Please.

What's wrong did I get you all confused about what you're suppose to believe?

Give it up.

No, RDX and HDX on a plane would have been detected at the AIRPORT!! Der!

Plus, they wouldn't have survived the crash. Even if there WERE some on the plane, it wouldn't have mattered, because if would have become innefficient due to time/temperature/altitude variations and the GIANT F*****G ExPLOSION from all the JET FUEL!!!

Der.

 

[BigAl]

Really? You need RDX or HDX right? Was the RDX or HDX on one of the planes?

Pilots have to know the weight of the cargo for center of gravity calculations. Nobody sneaks any tonnage of stuff on a plane. "100 tons" of anything exceeds the capacity of a 757/767, anyway.

 

[leftysergeant]

Your post is about 95% correct.
If you dont mind let me correct one small thing for you.
I will never train a bomb dog to scratch.........the resulting boom maybe bad for the both of us.
Bomb dogs will be trained to sit!
As for what they can and can not smell.......for obvious reasons that must remain a mystery!

I have been on hand for a lot of bomb scares at Ft Lewis, usually while I was working at the commissary or shoping at the main PX. When they bring the dogs around the perimeter of the building, the handlers just know automatically that the dogs will stop and get all excited as they pass the open-air part of the garden section, even if they are up-wind of it. Lawn-care products are full of what the dogs are sniffing for. The dogs go up to the wall and bark a lot, but they do not seem to be trying to dig.

 

[johnny karate]

Homeland Insurgency believes Interpol was involved in the conspiracy to cover-up the events of 9/11.

bill smith believes the FDNY were perpetrators in the events of 9/11.

These are not the arguments of well people.

 

[Justin39640]

Homeland Insurgency believes Interpol was involved in the conspiracy to cover-up the events of 9/11.

bill smith believes the FDNY were perpetrators in the events of 9/11.

These are not the arguments of well people.

+1

 

[leftysergeant]

And Jet fuel can cut steel columns or was it the building content fire? Thermal expansion?

Thermal expansion did not cut the columns. It just broke a lot of the joints, especially those between the floor trusses and perimeter columns in the towers.

As for cutting or breaking core columns, think of the aircraft as nasty great sledge hammers. The welds between column sections were not unbreakable, you know. If you put enough lateral stress on them, they break. A hundred tons of high-velocity frag and a few flying segments of perimeter walls driven along in front of it will put a bit of lateral stress on a column.