Debunker says what?

[Homeland Insurgency]

Here are some neat linkys for you of electrical transformers exploding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpvwuBUH5xU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sngiPk6sTBs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy6UXxhzYlk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY72athcwvA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNHdW3ZOEWA&NR=1


See what I mean?? Explosions in a building like this do not suprise me at all.

Really? So then why do debunkers claim there were no explosions or sounds of explosions?

Were there sounds of explosions or not?

 

[Baylor]

Really? So then why do debunkers claim there were no explosions or sounds of explosions?

Because debunkers don't claim there were no explosions or sounds of explosions.

 

[triforcharity]

When they are talking to you dolts about explosions, it is usually about CD or bombs.

Follow along here son. Try to pay attention......

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Bumping for posterities sake:

Sounds of explosions? Again?? Jesus, there truly isn't anything new among conspiracy peddlers, is there?
http://debunking911.com/explosions.htm
http://911myths.com/html/accounts_of_explosions.html
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

 

[triforcharity]

So why didn't very experienced first responders come to these conclusions at the time they were happening?

I am guessing that you have never once been in a hectic and chaotic event before. Getting caught with dirty magazines does NOT count. Have you ever been in a situation where there was absolutely NO guarantee that you would make it home that night?? I have. More than once. Heck, I didn't think I was going to survive 9/11 after the second plane hit.

Chaos and stress can play dirty tricks on you. Heck, I thought at one point that day I thought I saw more planes coming into Manhattan. I wasn't obviously. I even thought that it was all a bad dream. I had to remind myself that my friends lives depended on me to remain focused and vigilant.
A few times that day I thought I head voices of my family in the piles of rubble. I obviously didn't, as they were at home when all this was going down. So, obviously, you have no clue what stress can do to a person's mind. I didn't realize that the entire building collapsed untill about 45 minutes after it happend, and I could see that it from where I was.

Now, again, what is your point in all of this? Do you like making a mockery of the deaths of 343 of my friends, whom all gave their lives so "That Others May Live"???

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

Because debunkers don't claim there were no explosions or sounds of explosions.

So there were explosions and sounds of explosions now?

 

[Baylor]

Could transformers or other electrical equipment explain some of what the firemen saw and heard? What about an acre of concrete floor slamming into another? Would steel bolts snapping under tremendous tension make a pop or explosive sound? Assuming the towers weren't in the vacuum of space, we can be fairly safe to say the things I mentioned are good candidates to explain what the firemen heard. Even they think so..

Really? So then why do debunkers claim there were no explosions or sounds of explosions?

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

I am guessing that you have never once been in a hectic and chaotic event before. Getting caught with dirty magazines does NOT count. Have you ever been in a situation where there was absolutely NO guarantee that you would make it home that night?? I have. More than once. Heck, I didn't think I was going to survive 9/11 after the second plane hit.

Chaos and stress can play dirty tricks on you. Heck, I thought at one point that day I thought I saw more planes coming into Manhattan. I wasn't obviously. I even thought that it was all a bad dream. I had to remind myself that my friends lives depended on me to remain focused and vigilant.
A few times that day I thought I head voices of my family in the piles of rubble. I obviously didn't, as they were at home when all this was going down. So, obviously, you have no clue what stress can do to a person's mind. I didn't realize that the entire building collapsed untill about 45 minutes after it happend, and I could see that it from where I was.

Now, again, what is your point in all of this? Do you like making a mockery of the deaths of 343 of my friends, whom all gave their lives so "That Others May Live"???

I thought you claimed to know exactly what was going to happen and it was no surprise when the buildings collapsed?

Was it too chaotic or did you know?

 

[Baylor]

These "explosion" sounds could have been all sorts of things, such as elevators crashing down the shafts, and there are also quotes from firefighters where they say the people jumping from the buildings and crashing to the ground "sounded like explosions", not to mention debris that rained down, and the initial plane impacts.

So there were explosions and sounds of explosions now?

Now or always?

 

[Macgyver1968]

HI...are you real? or just someone's online persona pretending to be a obnoxious truther trying to cheese people off? It's an honest question...I really don't know.

 

[deep]

Sounds of explosions? Again?? Jesus, there truly isn't anything new among conspiracy peddlers, is there?

Well, it shouldn't be a surprise, since you can't really debunk many of the eyewitness accounts. If someone says they definitely heard a bomb go off, you can't debunk it by saying, "they were mistaken, it was a body hitting the ground". That can't be proven, nor can it be proven that they heard a bomb.

The eyewitnesses I'm referring to above heard a very loud noise (or noises). Nobody knows for sure what they were.

 

[triforcharity]

Ok, I knew WTC 7 was going to come down. Yes.

I however did not know that the S. Tower would collapse. I figured that we could get some headway, but obviously this didn't happen. I knew, after the S tower fell, that the N. Tower would fall also. My job after the first collapse was to get people out of the N. Tower and away from the building ASAP.

So, your trying to trip me up and put words into my mouth, and its wrong. I will never contradict myself son. You can take that to the bank.

 

[Oscar]

Why hasn't Homeland been banned?

His last reply to triforcharity made me feel ill.

Wouldn't you just love to stick Homeland in a New York Firehouse after informing them of his opinions.

 

[progge]

"We realized later?" Who is we?

It doesn't matter.

Carlsen is precise on that, you just have to read the whole document. "We" is Carlsen and the lieutenant he was with.

Is the claim from debunkers that no one heard explosions and still to this day don't blame the explosions on the collapse of the buildings? Please.

I want to know what they thought at the time it happened.

I see.
I´m fine with your personal way of handling the explosion issues (only accepting the immediate impressions people had), as long as you do not expect or force other people to handle these issues in a similar fashion.
So I´ll leave it to that: I do NOT only want to know what the first responders thought at the time it happened. Nor does the firefighter you cited. I want to examine the whole body of "explosion" statements in what I hold to be the relevant contexts, which includes comparing the explosion statements with the avaiable videos, seeing how reliable the witness himself holds his impression to be, putting all this in the context of a chaotic and traumatic day, and the like.
Craig Carlsen corrected his immediate impression, as many did. And he would have good reasons not to do, if he actually heard explosions.
343 reasons, to be precise.

That includes Van Romero...

"My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse,"

"It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that,"

Now before you tell me what he says after the fact tell me what other evidence he examined to come to his revisionism.

Don´t know, but probably more than a few videos.

Was it his Presidential appointment?

I´m not fine with this statement, since it includes discreditation (albeit in an interrogative form). Romero was the vice president of the bureau for Research and Economic Development at New Mexico´s Institute of Mining and Technology since 1997, and he supported national education programms since then, e.g. against terrorism.
http://web.archive.org/web/20021001042254/http://infohost.nmt.edu/mainpage/news/2001/15feb01.html

So there is absolutely no need to connect his White House appointment with his revised statements on the WTC collapses.

 

[Shalamar]

Ok. 'Bombs' going off in the towers is circumstantial evidence only. IF that. The evidence? People heard explosions. Those sounds can also be attributed to other things. Metal snapping suddenly. Transformers blowing up. If you want explosives in the towers, then you need to FIND those explosives. Debris, remains, statements from the people that would have planted them.

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

Ok, I knew WTC 7 was going to come down. Yes.

I however did not know that the S. Tower would collapse. I figured that we could get some headway, but obviously this didn't happen. I knew, after the S tower fell, that the N. Tower would fall also. My job after the first collapse was to get people out of the N. Tower and away from the building ASAP.

So, your trying to trip me up and put words into my mouth, and its wrong. I will never contradict myself son. You can take that to the bank.

So why were the towers unexpected to fall? And does every debunker claim this? Is this the debunker consensus now?

No one should have expected the towers to have collapsed by intentionally being slammed by jetliners?

Why not?

Supposedly it's elementary these days.

How do I turn you people around every time?

lol

 

[deep]

Ok. 'Bombs' going off in the towers is circumstantial evidence only. IF that. The evidence? People heard explosions. Those sounds can also be attributed to other things. Metal snapping suddenly. Transformers blowing up. If you want explosives in the towers, then you need to FIND those explosives. Debris, remains, statements from the people that would have planted them.

Yes, that what I was saying earlier. They were "loud sounds from an unknown source". There's no way to identify them at this point.

 

[Oscar]

Homeland:

So why were the towers unexpected to fall? And does every debunker claim this? Is this the debunker consensus now?

No one should have expected the towers to have collapsed by intentionally being slammed by jetliners?

Why not?

Supposedly it's elementary these days.

How do I turn you people around every time?

lol

Why don't you try answering questions for a change rather than asking inane ones and putting lol at the end.

If you're not a 14 year old troll who needs a clip round the ear, but an adult, you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[dtugg]

HI, is your goal to become the most pathetic troll on the internet? If so, it looks as though your hard work may pay off. You are well on your way.

 

[SezMe]

I am guessing that you have never once been in a hectic and chaotic event before. Getting caught with dirty magazines does NOT count.

See, I try to get in at least one good chuckle a day. Thanks, triforcharity, for filling my quota today. Especially in a thread where HI subsequently brought up a little bile.