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Debunk Alert: New Ryan/Jones Article in Peer Reviewed Journal

Is this a peer reviewed journal or one of those "pay for publishing and we call it reviewed" journals?
 
Pardalis said:
Red Ibis' been here a whole year and he hasn't budged an iota from his position regardless of the massive amount of evidence everyone has provided for him, never once has he acknowledged one fact shown to him.

Does anybody feel this thread will be any different?
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No but I will say if he gives this stupidity any credibility i fear that he is close to a psychotic break with reality.
 
RedIbis said:
If the presence of these compounds and elevated levels did exist, could this explain why no construction has commenced at GZ? Other than some infrastructure, no commercial real estate exists in that block.
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Red's channeling Judy Woods.

Maybe they are not done sprinkling dirt over the site.
 
~enigma~ said:
No but I will say if he gives this stupidity any credibility i fear that he is close to a psychotic break with reality.
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For a truther he's rather well mannered and civil, but his complete denial of facts and his total lack of intellectual integrity makes him no better than the most hostile truthers like Killtown, IMO.

And he wants to bait us to another "debunking", as if whatever we say is going to change his mind... :rolleyes:

Unfreakingbelievable.
 
Pardalis said:
For a truther he's rather well mannered and civil, but his complete denial of facts and his total lack of intellectual integrity makes him no better than the most hostile truthers like Killtown, IMO.

And he wants to bait us to another "debunking", as if whatever we say is going to change his mind... :rolleyes:

Unfreakingbelievable.
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Until anyone can show me scientifically that the chemical stew at ground zero could not be explained by any means other than thermite, this idiotic sham of an article does not need debunking.
 
6 Conclusion
The presence of energetic materials, specifically energetic
nanocomposites, at GZ, has the potential to explain much
of the unusual environmental data seen at the WTC.
Thermite, discussed briefly above, is such a pyrotechnic
mixture that cannot be easily extinguished and is a common
component of energetic nanocomposites. Unusually
high detections of sulfur, silicon, aluminum, copper, nickel,
iron, barium, and vanadium might all be explained by
physical release of materials from such energetic nanocomposites.
Additionally, the detection of 1,3-DPP at the
WTC supports this hypothesis. Finally, the spikes in VOCs,
detected by EPA on specific dates, are more readily
explained as a result of short-lived, violent fires caused by
energetic materials.
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He's proposing thermite burning for weeks after the collapses.
 
RedIbis said:
I'm not playing your games. Did you read the article? Do you have something specific about the article you'd like to discuss? This should be like softball. I'm no chemical engineer and I won't even pretend to debate the technical aspects. I'm curious how this can be debunked by the debunkers.
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You might as well have posted an article about the kind of furniture used within the WTC. What is the claim? What is the relevance to 9/11 conspiracy theories? What point are you trying to get across?

Is this just going to be another one of those threads where you spend three hours insulting everyone who questions the relevance of your article, instead of taking all of three minutes to EXPLAIN the relevance?
 
WildCat said:
He's proposing thermite burning for weeks after the collapses.
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Thermite doesn't burn for weeks. There, your paper is debunked, RedIbis. Can we go now?
 
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The paper's conclusions: apparently, someone set off pockets of thermite thermate energetic nanocomposites in the rubble pile weeks and months after 9/11, causing spikes in levels of certain chemical species in the smoke.

Perhaps the high-altitude aerial chemtrails weren't penetrating to street level in downtown NYC so the whole 9/11 conspiracy was just a way to create big smoking rubble piles in which chemtrail-sprayers could be concealed.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
There's a lot of distraction from the point at hand here, and that is, should there be a concern that high levels of "energetic compounds" were found at GZ?
 
As Wildcat stated, the conclusion seems to hint around that thermite is the cause of these underground hot spots. Is there a thermite compound that can spontaneously stop the reaction and restart weeks later? Is it more likely that the underground fires smoldered like a coal fire and flared up when an oxygen pathway was opened or a new fuel source was reached?
Why would any of the chemicals listed in their paper not be expected in a place where no one has any idea what substances were stored or buried in the ground around GZ?
It seems to me this is just an attempt at gaining credibility for their own future reference.

With all the Mob connections with the building of the WTC, I would not be surprised if they took advantage of the excavations to get rid of some nasty industrial waste products.
 
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Wolrab said:
As Wildcat stated, the conclusion seems to hint around that thermite is the cause of these underground hot spots. Is there a thermite compound that can spontaneously stop the reaction and restart weeks later? Is it more likely that the underground fires smoldered like a coal fire and flared up when an oxygen pathway was opened or a new fuel source was reached?
Why would any of the chemicals listed in their paper not be expected in a place where no one has any idea what substances were stored or buried in the ground around GZ?
It seems to me this is just an attempt at gaining credibility for their own future reference.
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(emphasis mine)

Bingo.
 
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