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Dealing with your future corpse

I believe some cemeteries will bury cremated remains and put up a headstone, or just put up a headstone, or store cremated remains in an urn in a vault that people can visit.

My grandmother has a headstone next to her husband, but her remains aren't buried there. She donated her body to a medical school. They cremated it when they were finished, and her wishes were to have her ashes scattered in Vermont.

Most cemeteries have a number of cremation memorialization options. Many have cremation-only areas.

The photo on the left is an amazing one on a mountain just West of Denver.
The granite covered holes in the stone columns are for cremated remains, as is the granite bench.

The photo on the right is a cremation garden in another Denver cemetery. The photo shows various cremation placement options.
 

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I will look into the green options. Not sure yet if they are legal everywhere.

I'm not buying your concern over being green after your death.
If you were sincere then you would simply walk yourself out to the middle of a forest somewhere and eat a bullet or drink some poison.

You want someone else to do the work.

For me just set my remains out with the weekly garbage.
Decomposing in a landfill is the best way all around.
 
I'm not buying your concern over being green after your death.
If you were sincere then you would simply walk yourself out to the middle of a forest somewhere and eat a bullet or drink some poison.

You want someone else to do the work.

For me just set my remains out with the weekly garbage.
Decomposing in a landfill is the best way all around.

I honor your intelligence for calling my bluff on this.
Yet, i may be deeper than the surface fluffiness.

Your options would actually end up being the most carbon-spewing of all other options. Suppose the dying codger managed to fall out of a boat at sea...

There would be a search. there would be an investigation.
There would be expense and hassle and emotional distress left behind...clean as it may seem at first thought.

Even self-euthanasia, which I believe is fundamentally different than suicide, is a journey into post-mortem hassles; expenses; and ultimately, more carbon spewage.

My oldest brother went that route, thinking it would be the most elegant way to exit. Even though he had discussed it with everyone that mattered to him, and he was doomed to a hellish end-game, the act itself turned the matter into a criminal investigation, with endless hassles. The T.B.I. insisted on doing an autopsy, even though the cause of death couldn't have been more obvious. This made the option of a relatively green disposal very difficult.

I should tell this whole tale in Community. Its got an "Alice's Restaurant" type of hilarity.

Back on topic, suppose it was your desire to dispose of your corpse in a way that taxed the world the least; that left the smallest bill for your kid; that required the minimal hassles and CO2 emissions...
(Ignore the question if this simply isn't a goal in your life. That's fine. I'm addressing the possibility that this last gesture is significant; a gesture of love; atheism; ecological concern; symbolic intent; spirituality, even, within a generally hostile woo-bent cultural imperative)

Wandering off and being eaten by a grizzly bear would be swell, biologically.
But there would be ramifications; expensive ones.

dealing with all this is a bit morbid, I suppose. yet, if one does care about it, it requires a pre-emptive, pro-active effort...and its not easy to cut through the guff.

Imagine that you simply dropped dead in your cubicle, today, in the middle of a game of solitaire...

A conveyor belt of crazy activity and ca-chings would follow.
What a hassle you caused, by innocently dropping dead, playing solitaire, when you should have been processing invoices.

Being eaten by a shark would be even worse, as per the costs of the actions that would follow. Its not as easy as one would think; to dispose of one's corpse in the most responsible way, on all levels.

As per accommodating the wishes of the survivors, and their emotional well being: That is relevant and sweet. yet, it falls into that touchy category of a critical thinker's responsibility to his or hers woo connected relationships.

There is something wildly parasitic about this machinery of corpse disposal.
Families that can't afford insurance get conned into buying a casket that costs more than their annual salary. Head stones in a cemetery?
Not cheap. And there is such a heavy status-related oppressiveness; you don't want Grandpa's head-stone to be the cheapest one in the grave yard.

There is much obscenity in all of this, although one might argue that there are overall economic advantages in keeping the process as insane as possible.

I'd like the discussion to be beyond economics, which is why I'm inclined to focus on ecology.
 
Donate your body to science/medicine and tell them to take anything that could possibly be useful. Then the rest will be cremated.

My father-in-law passed away recently and did this. They first took his eyes, then the rest went to a medical school. He was 92.

~~ Paul
 
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My third choice is to be buried without embalming, somewhere where that's legal.


Something tells me it is legal, just not done by default. You have to explicitly request it "for religious reasons".

http://www.funerals.org/index.php/f...ments/48-what-you-should-know-about-embalming

Embalming is considered a desecration of the body by orthodox Jewish and Muslim religions. Hindus and Buddhists choosing cremation have no need for embalming.
 
My son died two years ago. We live on a small island,so we had to travel to the mainland to collect him.

We hired a van,transferred to ferry,and then used our estate car to take him home .

He is buried on our land.He is in a cardboard coffin,and we have gradually brought stones from the beach to create a cairn.

Unfortunately,because we had to travel on a ferry,we also had to purchase a wooden coffin.

He killed himself,so there was an inquest about six months later,but he was released to us straight away.

Again,because we lived so far away from where he died,we had to use the services of a funeral director,to collect his body from the hospital (actually,I`m not sure where he was),until we arrived.

Both my husband and I will be buried here also. I had said,before my sons death,that I was to be buried in a shroud only. i now realise,that it is easier to handle a body in a coffin...or maybe some sort of board/sled?

my neighbour had to assist my husband in transferring him from one coffin to another. The funeral director suggested an internal body bag,and it was a great help.

The area where he is buried,will be fenced this year,as we will use it to move on tree saplings from being indoors, a tree nursery.

my only concern for our burials is having someone to dig the graves. My other sons did not feel able to help with my sons grave being dug....so who will dig ours.

Maybe,it won`t be so hard to bury us,as it tends to feel more "natural" to bury your parents,than to bury a young,22 years old,sibling.

my husband and I have talked of digging our own graves,and backfilling it with sand,to make subsequent grave digging easier.

we have stipulated most strongly,that very little,or even no money should be spent on funerals.

We had a memorial ceremony,for him,which was humanist (well just made up actually)

Bodies,coffins,graves...none of that bothers me,they are only the artefacts of death,the loss of a person isn`t about that,it is about their essential being missing.
 
Rara, much thanks and empathy in sharing that.
I love the idea of the pre-dug hole, filled with sand.

You sound like amazingly decent humans, and I'm sorry for your loss.
 
How about the ol' traditional Tibetan way of being carved up and fed to the vultures?
 
There may be no rational reason for existing burial practices, but there is an emotional one. The familiar ritual brings a degree of comfort to friends and family of the deceased.

But there's no reason why this can't be done in an environmentally friendly way. Why not replace cemeteries with large blocks of rural land. Bury the deceased unembalmed, wrapped in a shroud instead of a coffin, directly in the soil. No headstone, grave marker or underground concrete to stop the ground slowly caving in. Then a tree could be planted on top, to mark their final resting place, so that over time the roots will eventually use the remains as a source of nutrients, giving part of the deceased life once again.

That's how I think it should be.

...and believe you me, my dead eyes will be staring glassily out from the door of my huge granite & marble mausoleum, surmounted by a life-sized equestrian statueof my self in bronze;

Why not skip the statue business, and just have yourself bronzed? Better yet, have your body sealed in a transparent acrylic block, heavily irradiated to prevent decomposition, and your next of kin could use you as a coffee table. It'd make an interesting conversation piece.
 
Why not skip the statue business, and just have yourself bronzed? Better yet, have your body sealed in a transparent acrylic block, heavily irradiated to prevent decomposition, and your next of kin could use you as a coffee table. It'd make an interesting conversation piece.

Just as long as you shorten it shout a bit first... Sorry, wrong sketch.
 
There may be no rational reason for existing burial practices, but there is an emotional one. The familiar ritual brings a degree of comfort to friends and family of the deceased.

But there's no reason why this can't be done in an environmentally friendly way. Why not replace cemeteries with large blocks of rural land. Bury the deceased unembalmed, wrapped in a shroud instead of a coffin, directly in the soil. No headstone, grave marker or underground concrete to stop the ground slowly caving in. Then a tree could be planted on top, to mark their final resting place, so that over time the roots will eventually use the remains as a source of nutrients, giving part of the deceased life once again.

That's how I think it should be.



Why not skip the statue business, and just have yourself bronzed? Better yet, have your body sealed in a transparent acrylic block, heavily irradiated to prevent decomposition, and your next of kin could use you as a coffee table. It'd make an interesting conversation piece.

I agree. The residual sentimentality should be transferable to a tree or bush, or even a patch of blueberries. If anything, it would be a warmer, more intimate experience, visiting such a grave yard.
 
I will look into the green options. Not sure yet if they are legal everywhere.

I've made provision for a green burial in my will. I've also made provision for my heart to be taken out and delivered to the woman who broke it, which I'm pretty sure isn't legal anywhere. She'll appreciate the joke, though, which is why I love her so much.
 
How about the ol' traditional Tibetan way of being carved up and fed to the vultures?

That's fine .. but where would you get all those vultures ? I say feed it to pigs. We have lots of them, and I hear they can even eat bones. We eat them all the time, so why not give them some fun too ?
 
I like the ingot idea for a memorial. An since ashes are mostly metal oxides, I would think they could be smelted, or dissolved in acid and electroplated out of solution.

Nah, I don't think that chemistry would work. But how about ceramics? Throw me into a pot- Make me the urn, use it for somebody else's ashes? Sculpt a bust of me- something my nephews could throw rocks at?
 
Now theres an interesting idea for a married couple. Take the first one to dies ashes and make it into an urn. Then when the other one dies place their ashes in to it. Kind of like holding one another forever :).
 
Now theres an interesting idea for a married couple. Take the first one to dies ashes and make it into an urn. Then when the other one dies place their ashes in to it. Kind of like holding one another forever :).

A bit Mormon-esque for my tastes.

As per vultures, this works in rural Tibet. The options are rather limited, and the body count flow is minimal. In NYC, for instance, this wouldn't work.

there are serious and legitimate concerns in processing the dead. We harbor the pathogens that are dangerous to us.

becoming pig-slop is actually fairly reasonable. No shortage of pigs; they would gladly consume the slop that we become, and turn it into bacon.

I'm not sure if this would be a completely safe approach. Maybe.
Might prion-like disease vectors remain intact, with such a direct approach?
i don't know.
The 'yuck factor' for me is not an issue in hog-feed funeral scenarios.
The yuck factor is alive and well in the business as usual.

I avoided the hog-feed scenario because i thought it would offend.
Yet, a large confined hog operation could process all the cadavers we could throw at it...unlike the vulture pecking show.

A catfish farm could also handle some stiffs.
I honestly don't know if such an approach might harbor disease vectors.

The safest way to be tossed into the mix, like everything else besides us, would be to feed the soil that feeds plants. To avoid the yuck factor as much as possible, said fertilizer would feed a non-food crop. There are many obvious possibilities within that angle.

I'm surprised that there isn't some sort of religious affiliation with the notion of returning one's body to active biological systems, a.s.a.p.

Modern western cultures lean over backwards to do the opposite; preserve the state of deadness for as long as possible, using gross chemicals and processes; sealing granny in a tight box; putting that 6' under...under the recycling zone of the hungry microbes and invertebrates.

I find that to be the most morbid of all scenarios; pretending to keep the corpse intact, as if it may have a chance to rise up again, like a zombie of the lord.
Funny that Christians seem to favor the angle that suggests a complete lack of faith in the ongoing life of the spirit of the dead person. Its more like a faith in the ongoing life of the corpse; 6' under; in a snazzy box; dressed in their finest clothes.

What a serious disconnect we've established with the Earth and its biological systems. It is quite glaring; possibly our craziest collective superstitious behavior.
 

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