Dead is the End?

[Iacchus]

Jumpin' Jebus on a pogo stick. You're just making it up as you go along, aren't you?

I'm done.

So wrong to you too!

 

[Soapy Sam]

Hey Fishbob-

Teeth and hair.


Among other things.

 

[Iacchus]

And they might find the idea of an imortal spirit to be the funniest thing they ever heard of.

Or, they just might consider you to be full of something else too.

there is just no telling with those space aliens, there are plenty of people who want to agree with you Iachuss, and they are free to do so. But lets us make it clear, it is a belief and not knowledge of life after death.

The only thing I understand, is that you would "choose" to believe otherwise.

You may get the beer , or you may not. But please if you are a larvae then your goal is to eat plants and to avoid parasites and to find a place to pupate.

Yeah, I know how that is. Now if only those damn aphids would leave me alone!

 

[RussDill]

Or perhaps you only know how to deal with "the facts" which, are merely the "material" manifestion of "the idea" -- which, you don't seem to be able to get a handle on?

So in other words, like you, I need to go beyond the facts. Well, lets see, if they are beyond facts, then they're aren't facts. So I need to get a handle on these "not-facts". Right, I'll start believing in unfactual things right away, like purple unicorns, the afterlife, and the comeback of elvis. (hey, no-one can prove elvis isn't having a comeback tour)

 

[RussDill]

So wrong to you too!

I sees it you failing at!

 

[Iacchus]

So in other words, like you, I need to go beyond the facts. Well, lets see, if they are beyond facts, then they're aren't facts. So I need to get a handle on these "not-facts". Right, I'll start believing in unfactual things right away, like purple unicorns, the afterlife, and the comeback of elvis. (hey, no-one can prove elvis isn't having a comeback tour)

If it wasn't for the "abstract idea" in the first place, there would be no "material facts" in the second place, because the facts arise from ideas. So, let's not put the cart before the horse and stop confusing the facts with the ideas, Okay? And try listening to something based upon the merit of the idea for a change.

Or, is that entirely unreasonable of me to ask?

 

[fishbob]

Oh yeah, I had been trying to forget about the hair, Soapy.

And what happens to the radio signal when the radio is broken? The signal is still there, as clear as it was before, and the only thing which has changed is the radio, which has now become impaired.

So you are saying that some mysterious signal is broadcast into your brain and your consciousness is generated by your reception of this signal? So, what I want to know is, if your reciever is defective, and the audible output is scratchy and irritating, the volume can be controlled how?

 

[RussDill]

If it wasn't for the "abstract idea" in the first place, there would be no "material facts" in the second place, because the facts arise from ideas. So, let's not put the cart before the horse and stop confusing the facts with the ideas, Okay? And try listening to something based upon the merit of the idea for a change.

That isn't what you are asking though, you are asking people to consider that ideas that you just thought up because you liked how it sounded, without any evidence to back them up are held with just as much merit as those ideas that do have mountains of evidence to back them up.

Making a hyposis is great and all, but an important step. But no scientist assumes that it necessarily has any truth before moving through experimentation and peer review.

and btw, I do listen to the merit of an idea, but you have shown your ideas to have no merit, the only reason you believe them is because you want to.

Or, is that entirely unreasonable of me to ask?

It isn't, but that isn't what you are asking.

 

[Iacchus]

Oh yeah, I had been trying to forget about the hair, Soapy.

The latest inuendo?

So you are saying that some mysterious signal is broadcast into your brain and your consciousness is generated by your reception of this signal?

I'm suggesting that there might be a possibility of something "operating" behind the scenes.

So, what I want to know is, if your reciever is defective, and the audible output is scratchy and irritating, the volume can be controlled how?

How about prozac?

 

[Iacchus]

That isn't what you are asking though, you are asking people to consider that ideas that you just thought up because you liked how it sounded, without any evidence to back them up are held with just as much merit as those ideas that do have mountains of evidence to back them up.

Innuendo.

Making a hyposis is great and all, but an important step. But no scientist assumes that it necessarily has any truth before moving through experimentation and peer review.

This is "assuming" that it's not more than just an assumption.

and btw, I do listen to the merit of an idea, but you have shown your ideas to have no merit, the only reason you believe them is because you want to.

Innuendo.

It isn't, but that isn't what you are asking.

Again, based upon your "applied assumptions" above ...

 

[Dancing David]

If it wasn't for the "abstract idea" in the first place, there would be no "material facts" in the second place, because the facts arise from ideas. So, let's not put the cart before the horse and stop confusing the facts with the ideas, Okay? And try listening to something based upon the merit of the idea for a change.

Or, is that entirely unreasonable of me to ask?

That seems to be putting the horse in the cart.

The beauty of the scientific method is that , if there is an underlying pattern, to the random events then it may be approximated.

If you present the merit of your idea than it will be listened to, but wishful thinking is just wishful thinking. Metaphor is metaphor.

Ideas are facts of a brain event. In the matter based model thoughts are facts, they can be obserced to occur in conjunction with organic creatures.

Tyr presenting your argument based upon something other than sentiment and feeling.

Or is that entirely unreasonable of me to ask?

I believe that spiritual events exist, they are limited to events occuring within the human brain. It is just like electrons I don't have to believe in the electrons for my computer to work. In the same way I don't have to believe in transcendant gobbledy gook for the spiritual process to work.

Define the process and the others can read it.

 

[RussDill]

This is "assuming" that it's not more than just an assumption.

No its not.

Innuendo.

Nope, the only argument besides medaphor you've provided is that it'd be an incredibly dull world if we didn't believe.

Again, based upon your "applied assumptions" above ...

No, the conclusion has nothing to do with what I've said above, it has to do with what you've said before. You'd like to believe that ideas that you come up with, but then don't test in any way, are just as valid as ideas that were used in designing computers and lasers.