DEA Agent Shoots Self During Gun Safety Class

There were two rules this person broke.

A. always clear your weapon yourself

B. keep your finger off the trigger if you dont want it to go off

Either of those basic firearms safety rules would have prevented this "negligent discharge".

In terms of unintended firings, you have accidental discharges and negligent discharges. The majority of unintended shots are pure negligence.
 
Wanna bet the taxpayers (us) were paying this guy at the time?
Beats having to do your real work. Be a big "shot" in front of little kids. Next bust some potheads while letting boatloads of coke slide on in. Great work if you can get it.
 
corplinx said:
There were two rules this person broke.

A. always clear your weapon yourself

B. keep your finger off the trigger if you dont want it to go off

Either of those basic firearms safety rules would have prevented this "negligent discharge".

In terms of unintended firings, you have accidental discharges and negligent discharges. The majority of unintended shots are pure negligence.
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and of course this was negligent and he has no right being on the taxpayer trough. What a flippin waste of our money. Again.
 
Sorry, but I just can't help but be grateful he didn't shoot a child.
Had din with my bro, a 30 year vet of the Detroit Police Department, and he was appalled, and filled with similar stories.
 
On the subject of "negligent discharges" by people who should know better:

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/negligence.mpg

You can watch this one to see one happen.

What went wrong here? Well, contrary to most of the cops you see in movies and on TV, a cop is trained to keep their finger out of the triggerguard. If you watch the video, you will see the cop had her finger on the trigger. The finger should be seen against the gun pointing forward.

This video gets reposted on the big gun sites like glocktalk, 1911 forum, and others at least four times a year as people rediscover it.
 
corplinx said:
What went wrong here? Well, contrary to most of the cops you see in movies and on TV, a cop is trained to keep their finger out of the triggerguard. If you watch the video, you will see the cop had her finger on the trigger. The finger should be seen against the gun pointing forward.
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Apparently not. There was a big story about the Washington (D.C.) police when they went from revolvers to 9 mm glocks. Actual quote: "Nobody ever told me not to put my finger on the trigger unless I wanted to fire."

There were something like 300 "accidental" shootings in the year and a half after they introduced the Glocks.

Edited to point out that it was a policewoman who said the quote, after seeing that it was a policewoman on the video. Starting out with no prejudice against policewomen, I have developed a certain amount of postjudice against them. I don't know if police forces are hiring unusually stupid women to fill quotas, or if women have the cultural expectation that they can CYA out of any situation by claiming that someone didn't spoon-feed them the information, or if women are not to be trusted with firearms. But my ex-wife, who talked the talk big-time about firearm safety, accidentally discharged a shotgun in a motel room. I had previously removed the shot, the wad, and the charge from the shell for demonstration purposes, so it was just the cap, but still.
 
corplinx said:
On the subject of "negligent discharges" by people who should know better:

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/negligence.mpg

You can watch this one to see one happen.

What went wrong here? Well, contrary to most of the cops you see in movies and on TV, a cop is trained to keep their finger out of the triggerguard. If you watch the video, you will see the cop had her finger on the trigger. The finger should be seen against the gun pointing forward.

This video gets reposted on the big gun sites like glocktalk, 1911 forum, and others at least four times a year as people rediscover it.
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When I was in the police academy, we were trained to keep the finger alongside the trigger guard until ready to fire. When I drew my weapon in a real life situation, I frankly doubt (cause I don't remember) whether I did that. Seems to me I just drew and aimed and put my finger on the trigger all at once.

A corporal in our department was shot [Forrest Gump voice] in the buttocks [/FGV] when his trigger caught on a radio antenna. Anyhow, back in those day's (the 80's) cops were moving from revolvers to automatics. Honestly, the guys moving to automatic didn't really know what they were doing. They were buying combat style weapons without certain safetys, then would carry them in their holster in a loaded and (hammer back) cocked position. An accident waiting to happen.

Hopefully, things are better these days.
 
"Apparently not. There was a big story about the Washington (D.C.) police when they went from revolvers to 9 mm glocks. Actual quote: "Nobody ever told me not to put my finger on the trigger unless I wanted to fire.".."

No doubt that there were way too many avoidable accidents involved in the transition to automatic weapons, but citing the DC police of that period as an example of police training is a little problematic.

They could probably have found a Metro cop who would say
" Nobody ever told me not to join a gang or deal drugs after I graduated from the academy"

That was NOT a high point is American law enforcement.

Paul
 
Maybe I don't have a law-enforcement mindset, but I don't understand why the guy carried any ammo into a safety lecture designed for children, much less ammo that was already chambered.
 
Ladewig said:
Maybe I don't have a law-enforcement mindset, but I don't understand why the guy carried any ammo into a safety lecture designed for children, much less ammo that was already chambered.
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He's an idiot.
 
Ladewig said:
Maybe I don't have a law-enforcement mindset, but I don't understand why the guy carried any ammo into a safety lecture designed for children, much less ammo that was already chambered.
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Because it was his service piece. That's always loaded. Now if you're questioning why he used his service gun in the demonstration, then I'd have to say the 'because he's an idiot' is accurate. :(

Why the hell is he 'dry firing' ANYWAY? That makes absolutely no sense to do in a gun safety lecture, since you ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS (I tell you 3 times!) assume the gun is loaded.

Not only that but after removing the clip duh there's a round chambered (or there damn well should be if you're in law enforcement). Why he didn't have control of that, I don't know. I just don't see how someone could remove a clip and not remove the chambered round. Even so, even with it completely "unloaded", you never point it at anything or dry fire it. And if for some reason you want to dry fire it (which isn't good for the gun) you don't point it at anything!

And regarding Glocks, yeah many departments changed over, my husband uses a Glock now (changed from a S&W), IMO they're a much better weapon, but some of the training that exists is terrible.
 
Marian said:

Why the hell is he 'dry firing' ANYWAY? That makes absolutely no sense to do in a gun safety lecture, since you ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS (I tell you 3 times!) assume the gun is loaded.

Not only that but after removing the clip duh there's a round chambered (or there damn well should be if you're in law enforcement). Why he didn't have control of that, I don't know. I just don't see how someone could remove a clip and not remove the chambered round. Even so, even with it completely "unloaded", you never point it at anything or dry fire it. And if for some reason you want to dry fire it (which isn't good for the gun) you don't point it at anything!
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Dry Firing is a great way to smooth the trigger mechanism and get a crisper trigger pull. Dry firing is also how alot of training starts out since you don't flinch expecting recoil.

In a classroom setting, it is typical to play a video of someone dropping their magazine, clearing the weapon, and then dry firing since people are skittish around guns. You have to debunk a lot of hollywood education around people new to guns.

In the case of the DEA agent, he didn't clear the weapon pure and simple. In theory he could dryfire the gun in the class, that is a judgement call. Guns are not voodoo. A gun that has been properly unloaded and cleared will not fire. However, he merely dropped the magazine and asked a student to look in the gun.
 
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