David Ray Griffin's Position on 'Cell Phone Calls' Challenged Within Truth Movement

[A-Train]

David Ray Griffin's position that the phone calls were cell phone calls and therefore suspect is challenged here. Dylan Avery also takes a beating.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/16056

"Avery didn’t seem to have even considered the possibility that some or most of the calls were made on airphones, which is peculiar since, a few minutes later in the film, while describing Mark Bingham’s call to his mother from UAL93, he specifically mentions that Bingham twice told his mom that he was calling from an airphone. The damage to the truth movement by this oversight is incalculable. Was it truly an oversight, or something worse? Whatever it was, millions of 9/11 skeptics were induced from the beginning to reject all the phone call evidence, and the valuable information it contains regarding what happened on the planes. Avery seems to have tacitly admitted his assumption was wrong: Loose Change Final Cut contains no references to phone calls whatsoever. Why has Griffin decided to carry on such a dubious notion?"

"Why does Griffin want to turn away from this evidence by imagining that the calls were cell phone calls, and therefore presumably faked, when it is perfectly plausible that the calls were real, made on airphones, and draw a very different picture than the one promoted by the government?".........

"David Ray Griffin wants us to confront FBI officials, and ask them why the evidence they collected contradicts the “official” story of phone calls being made on cell phones as portrayed in the mass media and several Hollywood films. But we really ought to be asking questions of ourselves. Why have we allowed ourselves to be duped into rejecting such important evidence that comes to us first hand from honest people who talked to their loved ones on the flights?"

 

[fullflavormenthol]

I think the fact that every new incarnation of Loose Change is actually a subtraction and a revisionist attempt to remove past errors is a testament to how loose they are with the facts. Actually loose change is a great description for the film given that the only thing constant in it is that its always changing, and its loose with its facts.

 

[Horatius]

Eh:

Those of us who have studied the phone calls, however, have learned that none of the evidence reported in the calls implicates al-Qaeda, or any other other Arab group. While many of the passengers did indeed report hijackers who were “Middle Eastern looking,” that in no way implicates the alleged hijackers reported by the authorities, since the real hijackers may very likely have been posing as Arabs while carrying out the hijackings for the purpose of framing Arabs for the attacks.

Just more of the same from A-Train. Move along, move along....

 

[Pardalis]

So we're back to cell phones now?

The wheel keeps spinning.

 

[twinstead]

Not only were they non-Arabs impersonating hijackers, but they were obviously dirty JOOOOS impersonating hijackers.

 

[Bobert]

It really does seem that ANY DAY NOW the truth movement will finally blow the lid off of 9-11!!!!
All of you Bush loyalists will then have to have sex with a satanic goat as punishment!

 

[Horatius]

...as punishment!

Punishment?

 

[Bobert]

well one mans vinegar is another mans wine.

 

[zorro99]

Seems like the Truth Movement is becoming increasingly desperate, as they're turning upon each other.

 

[CHF]

Nice to see that twoofers are sloooowly starting to figure out that Avery and Griffin are complete frauds.

 

[HyJinX]

What, exactly, is the piece of evidence that the movement hangs their hats on now? Is there any one piece of evidence that runs solidly through the entire group?

 

[T.A.M.]

wtc7

TAM

 

[HyJinX]

ahhhhh...yes. And yet none of them can see how absolutely silly that claim is. No wonder the movement is on its last breath.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Of course the Cell phone calls were fake! How would a bunch of Arabs living in a cave know how to use cell phones?

 

[JamesB]

Of course the Cell phone calls were fake! How would a bunch of Arabs living in a cave know how to use cell phones?

You need a credit card to do that!

 

[A-Train]

These strained attempts at humor are most unfunny. It seems you're all nervously trying to avoid the topic at hand. Do any of you JREF debunkers have any reasoned responses to the article linked to in the opening post?

 

[Bobert]

I take great offense because I was agreeing with you when I posted this

It really does seem that ANY DAY NOW the truth movement will finally blow the lid off of 9-11!!!!
All of you Bush loyalists will then have to have sex with a satanic goat as punishment!

I really do think that any day now the JREF BUSH LOYALIST SHEEPLE will be BEGGING Dylan to help them avoid FEMA camp detention.

 

[twinstead]

It really does seem that ANY DAY NOW the truth movement will finally blow the lid off of 9-11!!!!
All of you Bush loyalists will then have to have sex with a satanic goat as punishment!

Yawn. Just another normal Saturday night at the twinstead residence. So what's your point?

 

[funk de fino]

These strained attempts at humor are most unfunny. It seems you're all nervously trying to avoid the topic at hand. Do any of you JREF debunkers have any reasoned responses to the article linked to in the opening post?

Yes, its junk and anti semetic. There were no mossad on the planes and they did not parachute out through the nose landing gear door.

The author is delusional

 

[SDC]

These strained attempts at humor are most unfunny. It seems you're all nervously trying to avoid the topic at hand. Do any of you JREF debunkers have any reasoned responses to the article linked to in the opening post?

Yes. The fact that you are trying to pin this on the Jews is a foolish, stupid, totally bankrupt position. Your statements lack facts. Your statements lack even common sense.

There you have a reasoned response.