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David Ray Griffin

No kidding? NIST is reponsible for timekeeping.

No wonder you guys are in trouble. You live in troubled times.

The time is out of joint; O cursed spite! That ever we truthers were born to set it right!
Check yer watch, buddy:
http://tf.nist.gov/

That sage saying of your'n: Couldn't keep the word joint (AKA Big Fatty) out of it, eh?

A little less puffing and a little more proofing, twoofer.
 
This guy Griffin's a real work of art, ain't he? Why doesn't he debunk the Bible or something?
Actually that's what he does, in a way, and that's my point about him.

Among Christian panentheists, the divinity of Christ is very much in question as is the omnipotence of God. This leads to a debauchery of religion into a (sorta) supreme "good" on earth--perhaps in Islamic extremism?--and a (sorta) supreme "evil" on earth--perhaps in Dick Cheney's scowl.

Does anyone here actually read much Griffin or Borg apart from the 9/11 stuff? Anyone familiar with panentheism?
 
No kidding? NIST is reponsible for timekeeping.

No wonder you guys are in trouble. You live in troubled times.

The time is out of joint; O cursed spite! That ever we truthers were born to set it right!

Actually NIST can put forward a bunch of credentials, bit like this.

NIST scientists have earned three Nobel Prizes over the last eight years

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/NIST_Did_you_know.htm

Hey Pagan read some more and look seriously at the people you are calling liars.
 
Does anyone here actually read much Griffin or Borg apart from the 9/11 stuff?

This could, of course, be seen as a major financial motive for Griffin to spin out the 9/11 stuff for as long as he can manage. Didn't one of the CT'ers here post a quote about the difficulty of convincing someone to disbelieve something when his salary depends on continuing to believe it?

Dave
 
I don't see that as motive in his case, Dave. This isn't Ruppert we're talking about. Try this link:

http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/2007/02/13/the-religious-left-vs-demonic-america/

That might start you to see that Griffin's is a startlingly genuine philosophy with some influence among largely Protestant, largely non or inter-denominational pastors.

I had a quick look, and the article seemed to suggest that Griffin's views were seen as outdated and irrelevant even by the people who would most itbe expected to support them. Maybe it's not the money, maybe it's just that his 9/11 writings are getting him a lot more attention. Nobody likes to be ignored.

I know this is rather ad hominem, but there's not really anything left to attack in Griffin's actual arguments on 9/11.

Dave
 
Paul Craig Roberts is some seriously mislead character.

Just look what he says about David Ray Griffin and his latest book:

Griffin is a person who is sensitive to evidence, logic, and scientific reasoning. There is no counterpart on the official side of the story who is as fully informed on all aspects of the attacks as Griffin.

http://vdare.com/roberts/070326_evidence.htm

Made me laugh.

That page includes some descriptions of what Griffin's book Debunking 9/11 Debunking includes. The same old lies.
 
Again, I understand that Griffin is misled (and misleading). I was simply explaining his motive. It goes very much hand-in-hand with his theology. Process theology and panentheism are rather unusual in their approach and seem to lead ineluctably to conclusions such as Griffin's. His starting point is that the omnipotence of any deity is questionable and that, eventually, one comes to see the personification of both "God" and "Satan" in human endeavours.

His reticence to accept omnipotence as a part of the definition of "God" is probably not too different than that of most of the posters on this board. It's the combination of that philosophy with a search for "Satan" in everything in the world (ending, it seems, with the Americans and their government) that leads him to his "new Pearl Harbour".

In short, he's a nut, but a fairly thoughtful one.
 
Took a look at that review, too. Are the nuts still insisting that Flight 77 was 'vaporised'? It wasn't, of course, and nothing I've seen in 'official' reports ever said that it was.

Am I missing something?
 

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