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David Icke's Visa Cancelled

Given the fact that conspiracy theories have been shown to radicalize people into violent acts, I'm glad the Australian government is taking actions against it.
 
uke2se said:
Given the fact that conspiracy theories have been shown to radicalize people into violent acts, I'm glad the Australian government is taking actions against it.
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Shouldn't you start with religions and taking away religious peoples visas?

They tend to do it more
 
uke2se said:
Religious fanatics use conspiracy theories to radicalize other people.
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Sorry, but fanaticism via doctrine, tops fanaticism via conspiracy theory any day of the week and there are 1000s of years of examples.
 
cullennz said:
Sorry, but fanaticism via doctrine, tops fanaticism via conspiracy theory any day of the week and there are 1000s of years of examples.
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Conspiracy theories have been used for 1000s of years to radicalize people.

Do you doubt that conspiracy theories are used to radicalize people, or do you simply want to talk about religion instead in a thread about David Icke?
 
jeremyp said:
Speaking as a citizen of the country that brought forth David Icke, the consensus here is that he is the embodiment of “bat **** crazy”. This is largely a result of giving him a platform on The Wogan Show - a popular prime time talk show on the BBC. He certainly removed all doubt then.
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The funny thing being that even that was at a very early stage of his crackpottery.
 
Frankly, I'd have simply ignored him - giving him the oxygen of this publicity is just playing into his hands. The more you ban people like this, the more intrigued and interested people become - you in effect create more publicity than they would have had if you had just ignored them

This sort of stuff always reminds me of "Spycatcher"; a boring, poorly written, nondescript and overly-large tome authored by Peter Wright, which only became a bestseller because the Iron Maiden (Margaret Thatcher not the rock band) kicked up a huge fuss in trying to get it banned. Both the author and the book would have submerged into the depths of anonymity had it not been for Thatcher's short sightedness. The book has sold more than 2.5 million copies, and Peter Wright died a millionaire from the profits. Ridiculously, although banned in England, the book was never banned in Scotland! This fiasco resulting in the term "Spycatcher Effect" briefly entering the language in the 1980s and 90s.

In David Icke's case, the vast majority of people who would go to listen to him are those who are themselves already down the rabbit hole with him, and in any case, I have never really considered him to be a holocaust denier. I think people confuse him with David Irving, who IS a rampant holocaust denier.
 
jeremyp said:
Speaking as a citizen of the country that brought forth David Icke, the consensus here is that he is the embodiment of “bat **** crazy”. This is largely a result of giving him a platform on The Wogan Show - a popular prime time talk show on the BBC. He certainly removed all doubt then.
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I remember watching that show live, my opinion of Terry Wogan took a big knock from it because Icke was so clearly in urgent need of psychiatric help. Wogan should not have agreed to the interview, let alone continued with it after the extent of the guy's problems became apparent.

I came across an Icke follower on holiday once, I heard her at the back of the coach urging fellow passengers to look at his writings. I later sat at the same dinner table, and when she started telling the person next to her they should not get the flu vaccine I told her vaccines were probably the greatest advance in the history of medicine. She got up and fled from the room, and avoided me for the rest of the holiday.
 
angrysoba said:
No. I don’t think he should be denied a platform. I understand that different countries have the right to let in who they want, and that they can deny visas on pretty much any grounds they like. But I don’t agree with “no platforming” if by that you mean that governments ought to protect the ears of the hoi polloi from nasty ideas such as Holocaust denial, Islamic fundamentalists, white nationalists, black nationalists and / or flat-earth-lizard-men-alarmists. Who do you know who should have the power to say what you can and can’t listen to? Would you think it is just for, say, me to sit at a desk perusing material that I think may or may not corrupt artwollipot and stamp it “approved” or “forbidden” according to how much more combustible or corrupting I thought the material was for you?
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uke2se said:
Given the fact that conspiracy theories have been shown to radicalize people into violent acts, I'm glad the Australian government is taking actions against it.
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uke2se said:
Religious fanatics use conspiracy theories to radicalize other people.
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uke2se said:
Conspiracy theories have been used for 1000s of years to radicalize people.

Do you doubt that conspiracy theories are used to radicalize people, or do you simply want to talk about religion instead in a thread about David Icke?
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The Koran, Mein Kampf and The Turner Diaries are books. They have been used to radicalize people. Therefore books have been used to radicalize people.

J.K Rowling writes books. I'm glad the Australian government has banned her from entering.
 
jeremyp said:
Speaking as a citizen of the country that brought forth David Icke, the consensus here is that he is the embodiment of “bat **** crazy”. This is largely a result of giving him a platform on The Wogan Show - a popular prime time talk show on the BBC. He certainly removed all doubt then.

As for the number of Twitter followers, that’s not really proof of anything other than that he has a public profile.
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Mojo said:
The chapter about his tour of Canada in Jon Ronson’s Them is worth a read.
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Yep. There is also a TV episode of David Icke and Jon Ronson in America. Ronson appears bemused by the Anti-Defamation League's belief that Icke is an anti-semite, and also at the way in which Alex Jones pops up to say that David Icke is discrediting serious conspiracy theorists like himself with his lizard people talk.

lionking said:
Not according to this source, admittedly a few years ago.

https://antisemitism.org.il/74345
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Oh look, someone on the internet says... therefore it must be true.

You can tell how true it must be by the number of exclamation marks:

This implies that Mr Icke still believes, that the real Holocaust in which some six million Jews were systematically exterminated (and for which there is loads of evidence), is a hoax!!! This is called Holocaust Denial or Holocaust Revisionism. There is only one conclusion to be drawn from Icke’s support for books like Other Losses, and his denial of the Jewish Holocaust—David Icke, is a Jew hating, Holocausting denying, Nazi conspiracy theorist!!!
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Actually, I could be wrong but I think Richard Evans mentions Other Losses in his book on the David Irving trial. In his opinion, Other Losses, while being inaccurate and based on a misreading of documents, is not a Holocaust denial book. It is popular with Holocaust deniers because they like to use it to somehow make an equivalence between the Allies and the Nazis, but quoting it or referencing it doesn't make someone a "Jew hating, Holocausting denying, Nazi conspiracy theorist!!!".
 
cullennz said:
I'd never heard of the bloke before this thread, so maybe he is.

All I have found is his own words, and that is an article lacking any substance, quotes, or references.
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Wow, you are lucky...

His forum has been one of the staple conspiracy forums for years, I first stumbled across it about 2009...
 
angrysoba said:
The Koran, Mein Kampf and The Turner Diaries are books. They have been used to radicalize people. Therefore books have been used to radicalize people.

J.K Rowling writes books. I'm glad the Australian government has banned her from entering.
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With the possible exception of the Koran, those books propose conspiracy theories.

Do you deny conspiracy theories are being used to radicalize people?
 
uke2se said:
Given the fact that conspiracy theories have been shown to radicalize people into violent acts, I'm glad the Australian government is taking actions against it.
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I've heard that about punk rock, rap music, horror films, dungeons and dragons, heavy metal, video games, and catcher in the rye.

But sure bud, this time the hype train is real.

Personally, when I hear that about media I know the parson is saying " I don't like this but I have no actual reason to ban it. ".
 
uke2se said:
Conspiracy theories have been used for 1000s of years to radicalize people.

Do you doubt that conspiracy theories are used to radicalize people, or do you simply want to talk about religion instead in a thread about David Icke?
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If you planned on eliminating poverty by picking up penies on the ground and returning them to their owners I'd question your motives in the same way.

When someone's course of action has minimal benefit but gains them something I get suspicious.
 
uke2se said:
With the possible exception of the Koran, those books propose conspiracy theories.

Do you deny conspiracy theories are being used to radicalize people?
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No more than songs about killing the president,police, etc.
 
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