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Split Thread David Gilroy: murder conviction goes to Scottish Review Commission

Bear in mind he was starting from Edinburgh, not Crianlarich. If you ask the AA for a route from Edinburgh to Lochgilphead without any pre-conditions it takes you along the M8 to Glasgow and across the Erskine bridge. I don't think anyone would go that way because of the danger of getting held up in Glasgow city centre. You just need some idiot to prang a bumper on the Kingston bridge and you're in an interminable queue. But it shows the practicality of going south of Loch Lomond.

If I was going to the Rest and Be Thankful from Edinburgh I think I'd go across through Drymen to Balloch and up the side of Loch Lomond to Tarbet. If I was going to pass north of Loch Lomond I'd go from Crianlarich to Tyndrum and then down to Inveraray from the north. I don't think the road from Tarbet to Ardlui would feature at all, though I may be missing a trick there.

But if we assume he did go to the Glen Croe area he made it through Tyndrum before heading there. He could have doubled back after Tyndrum, retraced his route to Crianlarich, and gone through Ardlui and Tarbet of course. But he apparently wasn't seen to double back on the Green Welly CCTV, and by the time he's got to about Dalmally the double-back wouldn't be as sensible as going on and turning left at Inveraray. So we assume he did the latter.

The question is, was this intentional from the start, aiming to go to the Glen Croe area but making it look as if he hadn't been anywhere near there, or was he making it up on the hoof? I thought the latter, then reading what you posted I inclined towards the former. Either is possible. He had the whole night to plan.

I thought Glen Aray might be a good place to stash a body but when I looked at it on Streetview it wasn't so promising. And gated tracks again. If Gilroy often drove that way to Lochgilphead he would probably have realised it wasn't all that suitable. Bear in mind another place the police apparently considered was Glen Orchy, though I don't know if he was seen there. And the only promising-looking track I can see is again gated - https://goo.gl/maps/exrZez9P3nM2. (He'd soon wreck his suspension on that, if he could even drive it.)

Did he try other places to no avail then suddenly decide to head for Glen Croe even though it was a detour, or was that in his mind all along and the detour deliberate to confuse any later investigation?

If we assume that he dumped the body on the way there (the "trouble with my car" suggests he did) then there was no aimless wandering on the way back. He would know where he was heading to complete the job.

So why did he take that very peculiar route back? One that doesn't go over the Rest and Be Thankful but nevertheless takes an apparently pointless detour to go quite close?
 
The Google street view image of the gate and track on the B8074 at Glen Orchy looks like it would cause suspension damage to a car but it is unclear if the gate is locked or not.

Looking again at the search area on the map (which is marked with small squares) http://www2.jpscotland.co.uk/en/webchat/map1.jpg
Hells Glen, Glen Croe, Glen Shira, Glen Orchy and from Furnace to Lochgilphead along the A83 were all searched but according to the map there were no searches made along the A819.

Going north from the junction of the A819 and A83 at Inveraray the first turn on the left goes past the police station.
But the second turn on the left is more interesting
This picture is of a road which leads from this turn and could cause damage to a cars suspension
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4441146
Which is accessed from the A819 and along Upper Ave then onto Queens Drive. Google map here
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/5...17,-5.0879209,2552m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!5i1
The tracks beyond "the very rough road through Eas a' Chòsain" are possible disposal sites.
Athough it is unclear from the maps if any part of the tracks are gated or not.

Assuming the disposal was done in the afternoon (which is more likely as if not the body is in the boot when Gilroy gets to Lochgilphead High School.)
On the way from Tyndrum to Lochgilphead in the afternoon Gilroy could have diverted into "the very rough road through Eas a' Chòsain" from the A819 before returning to the A819 then passing Main Street East in Inveraray where he was caught on camera and where he switched his phone on.
and/or
On the way from Lochgilphead to Tyndrum in the evening Gilroy could have passed Inveraray where he was caught on camera and where he switched his phone off and went on the A819 then turned towards "the very rough road through Eas a' Chòsain"

Still trying to work out where the Glen Croe/Hells Glen area fits into this scenario.
 
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Did they not search Glen Aray at all then? I would have thought that was one of the obvious possibilities once you know he disappeared for two hours between Tyndrum and Inveraray. I don't think it's as promising as all that, for most of the length, but it's not out of the question either.

That's a bit of an off-the-wall idea, that he went all the way to Inveraray and then snuck up a back road behind the town. It's a horrible road and I wonder what its advantage is over other more practical routes. Also, I wonder if he knew it was there.

Also, the route you mark, if he took that, would potentially avoid his being caught on the Inveraray CCTV at all. Unless he doubled back to go along the loch-front road.

There are just so many possibile places. And I still wonder how strong the evidence was that he was in the Glen Croe area at any point. If the story about his mobile pinging the Glen Croe mast isn't true, it can't be 100% certain he was even there. Surely the evidence must have been led in court and if it was an eyewitness then they would have appeared to give evidence, but there's nothing in the court reports about that.
 
Found the information regarding the phone call to police whilst Gilroy was at Lochgilphead and about the damage to Gilroys car.

Paragraph 21 here
http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/marku...18.html&query=title+(+Gilroy+)&method=boolean
" He had arrived there (Lochgilphead) at about 4.30, when he had noticed the voice mails asking him to contact the police. He had phoned his office and spoken to a policeman for, he thought, more than an hour. By this time, he had also observed that there was something wrong with his car."

This matches his arrival at Lochgilphead 16.29 and confirms the damage to his car was done on the Tyndrum (13.23) to Inveraray (15.51) route.
Also paragraph 23
"At about 4.30 am (on Thursday 6th May), the appellant's car keys had been obtained from him and, with the appellant's consent, the Vectra, which was in a Tesco car park, was searched at about 4.55 am before being removed to a yard for further examination commencing at about 10.50 am. "

Gilroys car was searched at 04.55 on Thursday 6th May whilst he was still in the police station so Gilroy must have cleaned the boot at some point on Wednesday 5th May 2010 before 21.24 (when he passed Ardlui).
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Back to the A819 here

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.2...4!1sZIHmDrHBeE7IJpP_UzlByA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The track leads into dense forest and is in poor condition compared to other forest tracks in the area.

Still looking further north from this track on the A819 for any other possible A819 exit points on to tracks in poor condition before my next trip.
 
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I see that. It does look promising, and it's not gated as the other roads I looked at in Glen Aray are. I was looking further north than that I think.

Is that the only non-gated entrance to that forest area?

It's not just the forest, the undergrowth in the areas that are only covered by bushes is very thick. There's a lot of scope even for just dumping a body if there wasn't time to dig, and as you say unless he had brought old clothes to change into it doesn't look as if he did much digging. Unless a dog happened on it and led someone to it, it could be very hard to find.

I wonder how strong the evidence was that Gilroy was ever in the Glen Croe area? Was he smart enough to have figured out some sort of double bluff, either in advance or playing up to it when the police started to ask him about it?

It's a pity the clocks will be changing soon and winter is coming. If this was May I'd be half inclined to come and give you a hand. Not that I think there's a snowball's chance in hell of finding anything, but it's an interesting reason for a nice walk in the country.
 
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Snowballs in October ?

There are other ungated exits on the west side of the A819 but these lead to buildings or are forestry roads and they are possible disposal sites but the track on google street view ticks all the boxes.
It looks like it is in worse condition than the forestry roads and has the potential to damage a cars suspension.
It is more secluded than the forestry roads. (less likely to run in to forestry traffic)
It has vegetation at a high enough level to become stuck to a cars underside.

There is the B840 at Claddich but this road is in good condition and I cant see any tracks similar to the A819 google street view track.
There are forestry roads on the B840 which are gated except this one 2.3 miles from the A819

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.3...4!1sVPwTGwKQk2zII9iZlROjjQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The east side of the A819 is all forestry roads or roads that lead to buildings.

The Glen Croe/Hells Glen journey (if there was one) could just have been an afternoon look around to check out if the area was suitable for disposal and not the actual disposal site.

The A819 track on google street view looks like a good starting point and if nothing is there then the ungated forestry tracks have to be considered as there may be areas off these forestry tracks which are in as poor condition as the google street view A819 track.

I will not be able to visit anytime soon though, maybe sometime in October.
 
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Using a combination of the websites below and google street view I searched from the junction of the A83 and A819 to the junction of the A819 and A85 .

http://maps.forestry.gov.uk/imf/imf.jsp?site=fcscotland_ext&
https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/osmaps/

Maybe the police were so engrossed with the Hells Glen area they didnt consider the A819 as a disposal site.

Here are the google street views of the exits from the A819/A83 junction going south to north starting with the west side exits.

1 - The first left leads from the police station to housing then on to Barn Park
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.2...03&h=100&yaw=47.019997&pitch=0!7i13312!8i6656
I ruled this out due to the police station and housing area.
2 - The second left is Upper Avenue which leads on to a water treatment works and skirts around the golf course.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.2...4!1sGj6MuzLHqtI0S_7b00bfhg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I ruled this out as the road may be frequently used and if it was used by Gilroy he could bypass Inveraray centre and we know Gilroy did not bypass Inveraray centre.
3 - The third left is on to a forestry road with large boulders crossing its path.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.2...4!1swp6i330aAHAG-cpOxjkggQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
A car could get past the boulders if determined enough although I ruled this out for the time being due to possible forestry activity beyond the track entrance.
4 - The fourth left is at Electric Cottage
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.2...4!1sfKl0jgoVlwQ6lqFRVJso9Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I ruled this out for the time being as there is a risk of being seen while passing the cottage although upon passing the cottage there are tracks leading into the forest.
5 - The fifth left is an opened gate on to a forestry road
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.2...4!1ssyswr0r388ohHVi60SegoA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I ruled this out for the time being due to possible forestry activity beyond the track entrance.
6 - The sixth left is also a forestry road with logs at the entrance
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.2...4!1stOQ9CHKBX-MWDwfmZq2i3Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I have ruled this out for the time being due to possible forestry activity beyond the track entrance although it looks a better option than turn 5.
7 - The seventh left is an ungated track in poor condition (the track I mentioned in previous posts)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.2...4!1sZIHmDrHBeE7IJpP_UzlByA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
This track ticks all the boxes and I thought this could be the place, although there could be more similar tracks north of this, so I continued searching north of track 7.
Will continue this post from track 8 later.
 
NightOfTheDemon said:
The Glen Croe/Hells Glen journey (if there was one) ...
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NightOfTheDemon said:
Maybe the police were so engrossed with the Hells Glen area they didnt consider the A819 as a disposal site.
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This is odd. I never saw any news that Gilroy had been definitely linked to Hell's Glen, just to Glen Croe. My impression was that once he had been linked to that general area, Hell's Glen sort of leaps out as being a rather obvious pick, being a very lightly-used minor road with no habitation along it and dense forest in a number of places, in contrast to Glen Croe itself which is an A road and quite busy.

However, the reports I read said that the linkage was by his phone pinging a mast at Glen Croe some time in the mid-afternoon. If that was true then it's a fairly definite fix on him as being there barring some truly weird trick of the landscape and mobile phone signals. (Unlikely in that mountainous terrain, although there was a time when the best mobile phone signal on Skye was in the north-west from a mast on Harris.) But the more detailed reports all say he kept his phone off before the Inveraray CCTV sighting, and then in the evening before Arrochar or Tarbet. So the tale of his phone pinging the Glen Croe mast must be false.

I therefore wonder about the strength of the evidence that got the police so fixated on the Rest and Be Thankful area, when the CCTV evidence says he went a completely different way. I mean, if you forget Glen Croe entirely and simply look at the evidence that he disappeared for about 2½ hours between Tyndrum and Inveraray, Glen Aray seems the obvious pick.

Did he even go to Glen Croe at all? Given that he had limited time, it's a significant detour either just to scope somewhere out, or to lay a false trail. I'm really quite confused now.

One of the things the cops said was that given the amount of petrol "missing" from his tank, he could have gone a very long way indeed. But that doesn't make sense. He wasn't off the radar for that long and concealing the body would have taken a significant amount of time. He can't have driven hundreds of miles. On the other hand, struggling uphill on a very bad road, possibly getting stuck and having to rev the engine to get out of trouble, uses a hell of a lot of petrol.

I don't think the petrol calculations prove that he took a long detour, even as far as Glen Croe. What if the missing time was actually spent in or near Glen Aray, and Gilroy just thought he'd play up to the cops' interest in Glen Croe by appearing as if he really didn't want to be placed there?

What if he did have a change of clothes with him, and managed to find a burial site, and actually got her more or less underground? How long would it take for the vegetation to cover his tracks? In May? Probably not that long.

I don't know what he would have used for digging though as there's no mention of a spade or anything like that in the story.
 
The Daily Record reported that

Police used tracking signals from his mobile phone to narrow the search to five square miles in the Glen Croe area, near the Rest and Be Thankful beauty spot.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/crime/man-convicted-murdering-edinburgh-book-keeper-4981209

But this phone tracking is not confirmed in the indictment or the map the police released in 2012, the indictment and map show that Gilroys phone was not switched on between noon to 15.57 and 18.54 to 21.34.

It would have been helpful if the reporters Lindsey Archibald and Chris Clements had got more information about the "tracking signal" such as where the signal started and finished and at what time the signals were recorded.

It does look like the police search started in Glen Croe and the search developed from there on to the Rest and Be Thankful then Hells Glen.
Something initially attracted the police to Glen Croe, it could have been a mobile signal, a sighting or a calculated police guess or a combination of these.

Personally I dont think that the Glen Croe area is the disposal site, he probably drove there, but not for disposal, I think the disposal site should be similar to turn 7 on the A819 in my previous post and I dont see anywhere similar in Glen Croe or Hells Glen.

The route the police know for certain Gilroy drove with his phone off has not been searched, they know he drove from Tyndrum to Inveraray via the A85 and A819 (and only searched Glen Orchy which is off the A85) but did not search anywhere between Tyndrum and Dalmally or anywhere on the A819.

These areas would seem an obvious place to search and I cant think of a reason not to.

Gilroys car was a silver Vauxhall Vectra 1.9 litre diesel registration number KF55 FKP.
The police did a fuel consumption comparison and found there were 124 miles unaccounted for but this is really not helpful as there are many factors which could affect fuel consumption such as how fast or slow you drive, the condition of the car and the roads you drive on.
 
That is odd. Although I had read all about Glen Croe and Hell's Glen and of course Glen Orchy, I didn't realise they hadn't looked at Glen Aray at all. If you look at the early pages of this thread, you'll see it was Glen Aray I first homed in on while I was still confused by the conflicting press reports and only knew he'd gone off-radar for a couple of hours between Tyndrum and Inveraray. It really, really looks like one of the first places you'd consider. I moved away from it partly because I gave credence to the reports that the police were more interested in Hell's Glen, and partly because the areas I looked at were relatively sparsely forested and the forest tracks were mostly gated. I didn't go so close to Inveraray as you've done, and you've identified a much more promising area.

The Daily Record is pretty much known for poor-quality, sensationalist journalism and I don't suppose they insist on their court reporter getting all the facts in or even getting them right. I actually read somewhere that Gilroy's phone had pinged a mast at Glen Croe, but that could have been one stage further down the Chinese Whispers trail than the "tracking signal" story.

We figured out the time it would take to detour from Inveraray to the Rest and Be Thankful earlier in the thread. The AA has it at 20 minutes each way. So if he went up that way he's shaving at least 40 minutes off the 2½ hours he had to play with. It's not impossible, obviously - in fact it makes little difference to the logistics if he drove down Glen Aray and then doubled back to Glen Croe, whether he disposed of the body in Glen Aray or Glen Croe, he still has the same amount of time.

But he was perilously late getting to Lochgilphead. If he did dispose of the body close to his main route, why waste an extra 40 minutes driving up to Glen Croe?

I also wonder how he navigated his way to a good disposal spot, and navigated into these forests once he got there. He can't have used a computer the night before or surely the cops would have found the searches. The Streetview images weren't there at the time anyway, the van only went round in 2015, five years later. And Google maps is bloody useless for that sort of job without Streetview. You really need the OS and you need the Explorer scale. And I can tell you the current OS facility wasn't available either in 2010. I was trying to use it to plan political leafleting runs for the election either the day after Gilroy's drive or the one for Holyrood the following year, and the best resolution you could get on Get-a-Map was Landranger and even that was cumbersome. (And again, the searches would show in his browser history.)

There's no report of him buying an OS map anywhere. I think it would have been tricky to do this blind, just going up a side track on spec. Maybe he did, several times, and that's what took the time and wrecked his suspension. But the landscape isn't deserted and I'd have thought if he did to much of that he'd have attracted attention. I wonder if he already had an Explorer map of the area in his possession?

I wonder if the cops specifically talked to the leafleting teams from the political parties about that day? People would remember, it was eve of poll. And if they were out and about doing any sort of last-minute activity someone might have noticed something. Especially close to the town itself.

Though there's another side to that. It was eve of poll. People do drive along some pretty bloody stupid roads looking for voters in stupid places. One woman drafted into my patch for a party that didn't have any local volunteers once said, "I have a simple strategy. I see a side road, I drive up it." (Tell you what, dear, I have detailed marked maps of all the occupied dwellings plus a list of house names in the most efficient order to get round them. Consider that and weep.) Anyway, it's not impossible that a strange car going some strange places might have been dismissed by onlookers as just another political geek.

A time machine to go back and look would be good.
 
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Looking at my Ordnance Survey explorer map (number 360) the turns from number 2 to 7 are all connected by tracks in the forest.
Potentially you could, for example, drive in to turn 7 and exit at turn 3.
The explorer map does show all of the tracks going off the A819 and on previous trips to Lochgilphead High School Gilroy could have noticed these tracks whilst driving on the A819.
If he did go to turn 7 then he has picked out the track which is in the worst condition of all the tracks on the west side of the A819.
Maybe he picked track 7 because he thinks this makes it more likely that it is rarely used or maybe he chose track 7 because it leads directly in to dense forest from the track entrance.

Moving on to exits further north from turn 7 on the west side of the A819

8 - The 8th turn (west side of A819 going north) is at Three Bridges, a track that leads to farms and the end of the track leads in to Salachry forest.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.2...4!1sCgLD2OsmoWBc7GohsEPAPg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
There are two possible turns off the A819 at Three Bridges, both turns lead to a road in good condition and I have ruled this road out due to the farms and forestry activity.
9 - The 9th turn leads to farms at Stronmagachan and is ruled this out due to the farms.
10 - The 10th turn leads to Drimfern and is ruled out due to the farms.
11 - The 11th turn leads to South Tullich and is ruled out due to the farm.
12 - The 12th turn leads to North Tullich and is ruled out due to the farm.
13 - The 13th turn leads to an unknown farm/cottage and is ruled out.
14 - The 14th turn is a gated forestry track.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.3...03&h=100&yaw=58.006428&pitch=0!7i13312!8i6656
I have ruled this out due to the gate and forestry activity.
15/16 - The 15th and 16th turns lead on to the B840 at Claddich and it is 2.3 miles from the junction of the A819 and B840 before there is a an ungated forestry track.
17 - The 17th turn leads to Inistrynich and is ruled out due to the farms.
18 - The 18th turn leads on to section of the old military road that leads in to a forest.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.3...4!1s9HVEwQeo26O0hcxv9zVBlQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
This merits investigation although the entrance to the old military road looks to be in a reasonable condition.

That completes the west side of the A819 and the areas of interest are turn 7, turn 18 and possibly any tracks off the B840.

Next search is on the east side of the A819 from the junction of the A85 and A819 going south to the junction of the A819 and A83.
 
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But he was perilously late getting to Lochgilphead. If he did dispose of the body close to his main route, why waste an extra 40 minutes driving up to Glen Croe?
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If Glen Aray was the body disposal site then an afternoon Glen Croe trip could have been to lay a false trail and/or dump the rubbish from the car boot before heading back to Inveraray then Lochgilphead.
This assumes the body disposal site and rubbish dump site are in different areas.
I dont think he would have risked arriving at Lochgilphead High School with the rubbish in the car boot, he may as well have the body in the boot too.
I think this was all carefully planned and he would have thought of all eventualities as he thought his liberty depended on it and he would not have forgotten to take enough black bags that day.
Gilroy had time in the evening to clean any forensic evidence from the car boot.
 
The only track I could see on the east side of the A819 which could be the body disposal site is track 19.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.3...4!1sn737lGFFCHjHIa0uhZJZxg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
After the track entrance go straight on and there is a gate before the right turn on the track.
But turn sharp left just after the track entrance and adjacent to the A819 going north is another track which may cause suspension damage to a car.

Track 7 is most likely followed by track 18 and track 19.

From the junction of the A83 and A819 to track 7 on the west side is 1.9 miles.
From the junction of the A83 and A819 to track 18 on the west side is 10.8 miles.
From the junction of the A83 and A819 to track 19 on the east side is 12.5 miles.

The weather looks good for Inveraray tomorrow Sunday 2nd October, I will try to get there tomorrow.
 
Keep going, I'm following you even if nobody else is. The forecast for tomorrow is fine, have a lovely day!

My thought is that there's a dichotomy between wanting a track that wasn't well travelled and possibly leaving tracks himself that would show a vehicle had been driven up there. Even possibly tyre tracks that could be matched to his own car. I'm not sure how dry it was in the first week in May 2010, but is it ever reliably dry underfoot in Argyll, especially under trees?

Also, if he concealed the body in Glen Aray, he was hellish lucky if the police decided not to search there. I mean it's the obvious pick if you don't get distracted by siren songs coming from Glen Croe. If he had left obvious scars on a little-used track and the cops had got there within a week or two, he could have been in a lot of trouble.

Now, though, any such scars will be long gone. If he dumped her above ground, maybe only concealed by vegetation, something might well be found but in all that area what are the chances, given that he would surely have concealed her well. And if he did have time to get her underground, the vegetation will have covered the area entirely by now.

I'm not saying don't go, it's as good a reason for a nice day out as any and it's really intriguing, but I will faint dead away if anything comes of it! (Not as long a shot as Little Swan wanting me to take a walk in the Newcastleton Forest 25 years after Lockerbie mind you. Fortunately the people who did take these walks in 1989 found enough, as it turned out.)
 
Thanks for the update. I'm also in the Gilroy is guilty as sin camp. Apart from anything else, the police seem to have eliminated all other possible murderers.
 
Just back from Inveraray trip and unfortunately nothing found in the forest off track 7.
The track entrance has a large puddle at the entrance
https://postimg.org/image/4v9y2w7ur/
and vegetation
https://postimg.org/image/7pzslphet/
and rocks
https://postimg.org/image/e7mhfy7r3/
and on the right hand side walking up the hill there is a forest which I spent an hour in but could not see anything unusual
https://postimg.org/image/lyjfeqmup/
at the top of the track is a gate and the track turns to the left
https://postimg.org/image/9gwu27w6r/
I didnt go any further than the gate but the track I walked would cause car suspension damage.
I also has a squirrel for company
https://postimg.org/image/i3g4tdrwj/

The track is in very poor condition and the police would have to be interested enough to search the whole of the forest thoroughly in order to find Suzanne.
 
Love the squirrel!

That track would certainly be a prime candidate for damaging suspension. And the puddle may not have been there in May 2010. I just wonder how willing he might have been to risk leaving tracks, or at least evidence that a car had been driven up a very unfrequented road, to get away from the better roads where he'd be more likely to encounter someone.

Back to, did the police really not search Glen Aray? And, how strong is the evidence Gilroy went to Glen Croe or its environs? I wish we had trial transcripts. (An awful lot of what you think you know turns out not to be so when you have access to the original witness accounts.)
 
The tracks all connect so Gilroy could have been driving on any one of these tracks and only damaged his cars suspension on the way out of the forest at the track 7.
A search would have to be made on the west side of the A819 in all of the forest tracks that lead off track 7.
The only link to Gilroy and these forests is that he may have damaged his cars suspension on a track either going in to or out of the forest, its not enough for a police search of the area.

I will go back though, early next year.

On the way back I took the same route Gilroy took past Dalmally on the A85 to Tyndrum and on to the A82 at Crianlarich to Ardlui then Tarbet.
The A82 from Crianlarich to Tarbet is a road to be avoided if possible and it was even worse back in May 2010 as the stretch of road at pulpit rock was still a traffic light controlled single lane road (work to widen the A82 at pulpit rock only started in May 2013.)

From Tyndrum to the police station in Edinburgh via the A84 and A85 is 81.8 miles and takes 1 hour and 44 minutes.
This is Gilroys normal route going from Tyndrum to Crianlarich to Callander to the M9 to Edinburgh.

From Tyndrum to the police station in Edinburgh via the A82 and A811 is 101 miles and takes 2 hours and 11 minutes.
This is the unusual route he took in the evening from Tyndrum to Crianlarich to Ardlui to Tarbet to Balloch to the M9 to Edinburgh.

Gilroy went the long way on a road which if given a choice (which he had) should be avoided and it took him 27 minutes more to drive and he drove 19.2 miles more than necessary.

I dont think he was up to anything on the A82 or A811 route as his phone was switched on from Ardlui to Edinburgh but he could have went the Tyndrum to Ardlui to Edinburgh route to avoid going on the Tyndrum to Callander to Edinburgh route.

Currently, the standard rate for the transcription of one hour of court proceedings is £126.
http://petercherbi.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/court-transcripts-in-scotland.html
The trial started on 20th February 2012 and lasted 24 days.
 
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I think someone linked to that earlier as well. The comment was that the only Gilroy supporters appear to be his own close family.

It's striking that his entire focus is on Thistle Street in the morning. He's trying to show that it isn't certain Suzanne entered her office building that morning. I don't know how realistic that attempt is, not having seen the CCTV footage.

What he hasn't addressed is the question of where the hell he was during the afternoon of the following day. If he had simply stuck around Edinburgh worrying about Suzanne's disappearance like everyone else, he wouldn't be in this mess. If he's innocent, why doesn't he explain how come it took him over two hours longer than it should have done to get from Tyndrum to Inveraray early in the afternoon, and another two hours too long on the way back? And explain how the suspension on his car was so badly damaged it was almost undrivable?

Surely an innocent man would be only too eager to tell the police exactly where he was and what happened that afternoon? But he never did. He clammed up and did a "no comment" to just about everything.

He's as guilty as hell.
 
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