D Day 70 years on

[Tolls]

However the other beaches had been cleared by time the searious Omaha casualties were racked up.

Logisticaly though it would have been hard to redirect the attack. That said logisticaly the loss of Mulberry A so early rendered omaha beach a poor showing.

Against that there was the moral value of showing that americans could fight and the advantage of having some troops under effective comanders. For that 3K causulties is fairly cheap.

Have a look at Appendix X of this war office summary of how much was offloaded at Mulberry B. That appendix covers A.

Omaha provided significantly more daily tonnage that Utah, and it appears that can be put down to the shelter provided by the part built Mulberry. Without Omaha, it's unlikely Utah could have picked up the extra load.

 

[Dinwar]

I recently learned two facinating facts about the Normandy invasion:

1) Geology played a critical role in the invasion. Allied geologists took detailed sediment samples to determine which beaches could bear the load of the vehicles being brought to the beaches. If the beach couldn't, your tanks became obsticles and delayed the invasion. These geologists snuck into German territory in order to do this--perhaps the bravest example of sedimentological sampling techniques in history.

2) A new geological term was coined for the effects of the Normandy invasion: bombturbation. This means the churning of sediment, bedrock, buildings, machine, and people from war. While most people no doubt consider the term silly, it's actually quite a moving tribute for sedimentologists. Biologists and paleontologists will name things after anything (when you've got 50 new species to name, you tend to run out of ideas), but sedimentologists tend to be far more conservative in their nomenclature. Basically, as long as geology survives D Day will be remembered by geologists.

 

[jimbob]

I recently learned two facinating facts about the Normandy invasion:

1) Geology played a critical role in the invasion. Allied geologists took detailed sediment samples to determine which beaches could bear the load of the vehicles being brought to the beaches. If the beach couldn't, your tanks became obsticles and delayed the invasion. These geologists snuck into German territory in order to do this--perhaps the bravest example of sedimentological sampling techniques in history.

2) A new geological term was coined for the effects of the Normandy invasion: bombturbation. This means the churning of sediment, bedrock, buildings, machine, and people from war. While most people no doubt consider the term silly, it's actually quite a moving tribute for sedimentologists. Biologists and paleontologists will name things after anything (when you've got 50 new species to name, you tend to run out of ideas), but sedimentologists tend to be far more conservative in their nomenclature. Basically, as long as geology survives D Day will be remembered by geologists.

I read about the people doing the samples - really brave.

As an aside, apparently the allies used UV lamps to signal to the submarines from occupied territory, and the subs would have people who'd previously needed to have their corneas removed as they were able to see into the near UV as a consequence.

 

[Dinwar]

I read about the people doing the samples - really brave.

I've done groundwater sampling on missile ranges when they were test-firing missiles. When they explode, it's frightening, even when you know it's too far away to hit you (the cuncussion still feels like someone hitting you on the chest). The idea of doing that in an active war zone, where discovery equals death or worse...I can only imagine, faintely, what those people went through.

As an aside, apparently the allies used UV lamps to signal to the submarines from occupied territory, and the subs would have people who'd previously needed to have their corneas removed as they were able to see into the near UV as a consequence.

That's amaziing!

 

[jimbob]

I've done groundwater sampling on missile ranges when they were test-firing missiles. When they explode, it's frightening, even when you know it's too far away to hit you (the cuncussion still feels like someone hitting you on the chest). The idea of doing that in an active war zone, where discovery equals death or worse...I can only imagine, faintely, what those people went through.

That's amaziing!

I can't find any info (I probably read it between 20-30 years ago when I was a really heavy reader between).


Derail:

However this link is quite interesting in that it supports the plausibility, and also acts another exemplar for unIntelligent Design.

http://www.neuronresearch.net/vision/files/tetrachromat.htm

Summary

The architecture of the human visual system, along with that of most animals, is tetrachromatic. The performance of the human system at very short wavelengths is blocked by the absorption of its own optics. Therefore it can be more properly described as a blocked tetrachromat instead of a trichromat. The difference is significant in research.

In other words the retina has the UV cones, but they never get excited because the cornea absorbs the UV light.

 

[MaGZ]

I hope the D-Day veterans walk the streets of Europe and see the “liberation” they brought. A Europe flooded with non-Europeans and a zero replacement birthrate. The Jews won the Second World War and the White Race lost.

 

[LaurelHS]

For the movie version The Longest Day (1962)

The Band of Brothers miniseries is good too (specifically, the first episode is about Easy Company training for D-Day and then getting shipped out, and the second episode is when the invasion itself starts). For a Canadian perspective, try Two Generals by Scott Chantler, a graphic novel about two friends in the Highland Light Infantry (one of them is Chantler's grandfather) who were part of the Normandy invasion. Both of these works are based on firsthand accounts, many by people who aren't with us anymore. It's a good thing that future generations will know their stories.

 

[Craig4]

I hope the D-Day veterans walk the streets of Europe and see the “liberation” they brought. A Europe flooded with non-Europeans and a zero replacement birthrate. The Jews won the Second World War and the White Race lost.

Oh the schadenfreude. This post makes me drink it in. Such an exquisite vintage. Please share more of the sweet ambrosia that is your anguish.

 

[LaurelHS]

But, today, my last post.

Interesting turn of phrase.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Post

 

[Corsair 115]

I hope the D-Day veterans walk the streets of Europe and see the “liberation” they brought. A Europe flooded with non-Europeans and a zero replacement birthrate. The Jews won the Second World War and the White Race lost.

Still can't stomach the fact that your vaunted Nazi heroes lost, eh?

 

[Spindrift]

My dad was in the 1st Division and took part in D-Day. He died before ever telling us much about what he did. He did say he spent an hour in the water and the water was brown with blood. After my father died my mother told me that he had nightmares for years because his best friend died in his arms. I never knew that. I also remember that every year on June 6th some guy would call the house and my father would talk to him for on hour or so. As far as I know he never called at any other time of the year. Again, after my father died, my mother told me it was someone from the war which is what I figured but my father never said anything about it. It was just an old army buddy.

 

[Spindrift]

I hope the D-Day veterans walk the streets of Europe and see the “liberation” they brought. A Europe flooded with non-Europeans and a zero replacement birthrate. The Jews won the Second World War and the White Race lost.

Yes, everything turned out great!

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Still can't stomach the fact that your vaunted Nazi heroes lost, eh?

One of my professors at Purdue said "Killing Nazis was a good idea then, and it's still a good idea!"

 

[Doubt]

I hope the D-Day veterans walk the streets of Europe and see the “liberation” they brought. A Europe flooded with non-Europeans and a zero replacement birthrate. The Jews won the Second World War and the White Race lost.

Once you go down the path of killing everybody that disagrees with you there should not any suprises when the reactionary factions start shooting themselves in the foot and then blame everybody else for it.

 

[Cleon]

I hope the D-Day veterans walk the streets of Europe and see the “liberation” they brought. A Europe flooded with non-Europeans and a zero replacement birthrate. The Jews won the Second World War and the White Race lost.

They have, and they've been pretty happy with what they've seen. A relatively peaceful, prosperous Europe.

To Nazis who are sad that they lost, I can only say "waaaaaaaaaaaah."

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I hope the D-Day veterans walk the streets of Europe and see the “liberation” they brought. A Europe flooded with non-Europeans and a zero replacement birthrate. The Jews won the Second World War and the White Race lost.

You might check your bookmarks. You posted that at JREF instead of stormfront. I'm sure that was an oversight.

 

[lobosrul]

I hope the D-Day veterans walk the streets of Europe and see the “liberation” they brought. A Europe flooded with non-Europeans and a zero replacement birthrate. The Jews won the Second World War and the White Race lost.

You'd rather we had just let the Soviets control the entirety of the continent eh?

 

[I Ratant]

I hope the D-Day veterans walk the streets of Europe and see the “liberation” they brought. A Europe flooded with non-Europeans and a zero replacement birthrate. The Jews won the Second World War and the White Race lost.

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I love all the mixing I see at the Mall!
The colors makes interesting and beautiful combinations, everyone benefits.
Love it!

 

[seayakin]

As with many, I've wondered about the hypothetical if D-Day had failed. I think the Allies would have won still but would it have meant the Soviets occupied everything to about Alsace instead?

 

[lobosrul]

As with many, I've wondered about the hypothetical if D-Day had failed. I think the Allies would have won still but would it have meant the Soviets occupied everything to about Alsace instead?

We agreed at the Tehran Conference to invade France in May 1944. Had we not even attempted to do so, or had the invasion failed and Stalin believed it did so because it was only a half-hearted attempt, he probably would have decided our agreements on the post war occupation zones were nullified. Once Berlin falls, and Germany's high command is destroyed their military would have become disorganized and the Soviets would have quickly overrun France and the low countries IMO. And I doubt Stalin would give up much, if any, territory gained during the war. What effects that would have had on the Cold War... who knows.