Cyborgs?

[DC]

LastChild (whom I will not be responding to) has asked this question before, and has been answered in a recent thread. To summarize:

1. Radio control of passenger airliners is possible, but very difficult. The last time it was attempted, the aircraft missed its target, despite being flown under vastly less challenging conditions.

2. Autonomous control is also possible, perhaps using a modification of the BGM-104 Tomahawk guidance system, but would demand extensive rework of the particular plane, and could not possibly be simply retrofitted, e.g. by special commandos. The technology exists, but is difficult, and this would be a novel application.

3. Autopilot and autoland systems, either existing or proposed, do not have enough performance to carry out this mission. They do not operate at those speeds, are not suited to the target profile of the World Trade Center (although the Pentagon is vaguely plausible), and they rely upon expensive and complicated radio direction finding equipment that was definitely not in place at either site. The aircraft would also require some modification to switch over to these systems in flight automatically, albeit it would take less on-board rework than either 1. or 2. above.

4. There is no possible way pilots could have missed this equipment. 1. and 2. would make it difficult or impossible to enter the cabin at all.

5. Any such "remote control" scenario therefore demands complicity of the airlines and the crew of all four aircraft.

6. Any such equipment would have been recovered and identifiable from the crash site of UA 93.

7. The technical risk, development time, and cost are prohibitive. There's simply no good reason to do such a thing in the first place.

Honestly, this idea -- like so many from the Truth Movement -- is so stupid that it should never have been given a moment's consideration. Hey, I know, how about a robot pilot?? It works on Star Trek, so they must be real! That idea is only slightly more insane. Seriously.

Do you know anything about a anti hijacking remote control system?
and is it usual for the NTSB to not mention the FDR's Serial number in a FDR Report?

 

[R.Mackey]

Do you know anything about a anti hijacking remote control system?

Yes. It has never been fielded. It was not conceived until after September 11th. It is unlikely to ever appear in non fly-by-wire aircraft, such as the Boeing 757 or 767. And it cannot be used in this application anyway. See the other thread. The "remote control" you're describing works with the autopilot and autoland systems, and these simply are not sufficiently accurate to hit WTC Towers at that speed.

It's a non-starter.

and is it usual for the NTSB to not mention the FDR's Serial number in a FDR Report?

The NTSB did report the serial number of the UA 93 FDR, and I know because I have it. I haven't bothered to read the AA77 FDR report, but I suspect its serial number was included too. Neither recorder from 11 or 175 was found. So, I have no idea what you're insinuating, but whatever it is, it's crap.

 

[beachnut]

The only thing that is stupid is anyone who would believe you know exactly what they can do and what they can't. That anyone includes you. You're so delusional you probably believe if their was an inside job you personally would have been filled in on it. Maybe they did and you told them you were too busy to help out because you had to post on JREF. Right?

Mackey is right. Pilots, the Captains of airliner, is able to check out the entire plane as he wishes, and can refuse to fly the plane as he sees fit! Your fantasy bs ideas are, just that!

If even a circuit breaker is new, the pilot will not take the aircraft unless it is explained and proper. A pilot finding a new object in the equipment bay will reject the plane. Your remote control bs is so far out you look like a little child who lacks knowledge even on basic life skills.

Your fantasy world is so far out you seem to be a fantasy yourself.

I have no idea what your 9/11 believes are because you are so obtuse presenting them. I have no idea what you believe, because you are unable to express it. That is one thing we may share, the inability to express what is safe in our heads. What a dumb OP, if you are trying to tie it to 9/11.

 

[Drs_Res]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276182,00.html

Scientist: Military Working on Cyborg Spy Moths
Wednesday, May 30, 2007

At some point in the not-too-distant future, a moth may take flight in the hills of northern Pakistan, and flap towards a suspected terrorist training camp.

But this will be no ordinary moth.

Inside it will be a computer chip that was implanted when the creature was still a pupa, in the cocoon, meaning that the moth's entire nervous system can be controlled remotely.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/03/18/222271/cyborg-insects-born-in-darpa-project.html

Cyborg insects 'born' in DARPA project
DATE:18/03/08

DARPA wants to develop inexpensive micro air vehicles to find weapons and explosives inside buildings or caves. Mechanical and fluidic microsystems would allow remote control, could extend insect life, and provide for gas, audio and even imaging sensors.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,345192,00.html

That Fly on the Wall Could Be an American Cyborg Spy
Wednesday, April 02, 2008

The newest recruits in the War on Terror are high-tech "flies on the wall." Scientists in the U.S. are fitting insects — and rats, moths, pigeons, bulls and even sharks — with special implants so they can be remote-controlled and deployed for surveillance.

So how long have they been working on this crap? I think it was just a while ago someone here was claiming they could never remote control steer a plane into the WTC. The technology just wasn’t there. That seems like small potatoes compared to this. Well it seems they’ve come a long way since then unless this is just some kind of propaganda. I mean it is FoxNews so who knows?

Now I’m not claiming anything but from the looks of this forget the plane why not RC the hijacker? Or even the President? What was that thing in his back during the debate? Well maybe the technology really isn’t that far along. If the President is a Cyborg it has malfunctioned more then once. Oh well back to the drawing board.

The part in red is the most important part to Last Child. I don't even know what purpose is served by this thread considering that.

 

[Corsair 115]

Commerical airlines aren't the only ones who use Boeings.

So? What does that have to do with anything?

I'll ask again: are you saying an airline wouldn't notice that some of its expensive aircraft along with its crew and passengers had gone missing?

 

[stateofgrace]

The only thing that is stupid is anyone who would believe you know exactly what they can do and what they can't. That anyone includes you. You're so delusional you probably believe if their was an inside job you personally would have been filled in on it. Maybe they did and you told them you were too busy to help out because you had to post on JREF. Right?

Translation.................

 

[HeyLeroy]

The only thing that is stupid is anyone who would believe you know exactly what they can do and what they can't. That anyone includes you. You're so delusional you probably believe if their was an inside job you personally would have been filled in on it. Maybe they did and you told them you were too busy to help out because you had to post on JREF. Right?

Yep, a NASA employee don't know squat about how things fly. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Yep, a NASA employee don't know squat about how things fly. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...

pfft, nasa, they just put rockets on things, put a big enough rocket on a brick and it will fly too

i mean seriously, do you really think rocket scientists are smart?

 

[HeyLeroy]

Rockey surgeons, now they're the bright ones...

 

[TjW]

You mean like how in your conspiracy theory everyone in al-Qaeda would need to keep quiet about it? Every single one? Thousands?

Or doesn't it work the same way for your story?

Well, the twenty or so people closely involved in it need to keep operational secrecy up until September 11. After that, one of the conspirators could go on worldwide television and say: "It was us! We did it! We successfully attacked the U.S! Join us!" Oh, wait. One of them did.

 

[twinstead]

The part in red is the most important part to Last Child. I don't even know what purpose is served by this thread considering that.

Yes. LC has brought the art of JAQing off to lofty heights indeed

 

[twinstead]

Well, the twenty or so people closely involved in it need to keep operational secrecy up until September 11. After that, one of the conspirators could go on worldwide television and say: "It was us! We did it! We successfully attacked the U.S! Join us!" Oh, wait. One of them did.

Yup. The Manhattan project was kept a pretty good secret for a long time, up until the bombs were dropped. Now, if those bombs were used to destroy the US capitol instead of Hiroshima, a few of those who kept their mouths shut prior may have had an issue.

LC and his crew have SO much evidence to ignore or hand wave away, from DNA to outright confessions, that I actually admire in some ways the mental gymnastics required; I could never accomplish such a feat.

 

[Par]

You mean like how in your conspiracy theory everyone in al-Qaeda would need to keep quiet about it? Every single one? Thousands? Or doesn't it work the same way for your story?

The above is merely another variation of the following argument:

1. Supposedly, a small group of terrorists could have kept the 9/11 attacks a secret.
2. Therefore, an equally small group of government conspirators [or whomever] could have kept the 9/11 attacks a secret.

Said argument, however, commits the fallacy of equivocation. That is, it shifts between two different senses of the phrase “kept the 9/11 attacks a secret”.

In the premise (1), the phrase means “kept the planning of the 9/11 attacks secret until the point at which the first plane was hijacked”. In the conclusion (2), however, it means “kept the planning 9/11 attacks secret until the point at which the first plane was hijacked, and then kept the true nature of the attacks secret (involving flawlessly infiltrating and perverting myriad law enforcement bodies, criminal investigations, possibly structural engineering reports, etc. etc.)”

In short, no, in a sense it certainly doesn’t “work the same way” for our theory.

 

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