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Cultural Manipulation

blakehaydn

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Ordinarily, political views are motivated and controlled by culture, religion, social standards and the like (supported by an underlying theme of what is "practical" or "just" amongst the brainwashed minds of society). This obviously leads to illogical decisions, which feed off each other, creating even bigger and more complex problems. When aristocratic parties and groups who manipulate these social standards of cultural morality are granted positions in government, it quickly leads to an excess of their empowerment in the economic system. And those who rule the economy ultimately control society through religion, entertainment, etc. This causes an economy that can be ridiculously manipulated by a highly organized and intelligent form of greed, due to unawareness and inaction of the mentally subdued population. The Utopianist Technocratic Party's motives are different from this in the fact that we base our views off of logic and scientific fact and not cultural opinion, and that we believe that all excess wealth is to be recycled to the lower economic classes, educational system, scientifical foundations and business to better our economy as a whole, and multiply technological progress.
 
What a nice range of sweeping generalizations, ridiculous assumptions, and rude patronizations!

Helpful hint from the "mentally subdued masses": paragraphs. They're neat!
 
blakehaydn said:
The Utopianist Technocratic Party's motives are different from this in the fact that we base our views off of logic and scientific fact and not cultural opinion
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Blow me down..I've not met one of you for quite a while. Do you still try to shag each other every time someone bends over?

From memory you lot want to use the scientific method to make politics redundant. Found the formula for true yet?

welcome to the forum, you may like Shanek as I think you lot overlap with the extreme end of libertarianism.......but from what I see of your website...maybe not.
 
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blakehaydn said:
...and that we believe that all excess wealth is to be recycled to the lower economic classes, educational system, scientifical foundations and business to better our economy as a whole, and multiply technological progress.
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Would you mind explaining the logic in this?
 
blakehaydn said:
Ordinarily, political views are motivated and controlled by culture, religion, social standards and the like
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So who (or what) actually does the motivating and controlling?
When aristocratic parties and groups who manipulate these social standards of cultural morality are granted positions in government, it quickly leads to an excess of their empowerment in the economic system.
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Who, today, has the "excess of empowerment" (love that construction) in the US?
And those who rule the economy ultimately control society through religion, entertainment, etc.
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And who actually rules the economy? I need to know, because it would be very advantageous for me to get on that guy's good side.
The Utopianist Technocratic Party's motives are different from this in the fact that we base our views off of logic and scientific fact and not cultural opinion, and that we believe that all excess wealth is to be recycled
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Could you please tell me how much wealth constitutes "excess wealth"? I want to be very careful that I don't accumulate any of that nasty excess wealth, if it's just going to be taken away from me. I'm not going to work any harder than I have to, if it makes me excessively wealthy.
to the lower economic classes, educational system, scientifical
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Who?
foundations and business to better our economy as a whole, and multiply technological progress.
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So if I get excess wealth, you're going to take it away from me and give it to the guy in the rent-subsidized housing, Yale University, and Microsoft?

Welcome to the forum!
 
BPSCG said:
So who (or what) actually does the motivating and controlling?
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Who, today, has the "excess of empowerment" (love that construction) in the US?
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And who actually rules the economy? I need to know, because it would be very advantageous for me to get on that guy's good side.
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That would be me.

Or maybe not. Maybe I'm just one of the brainwashed minds of society and I've been convinced by the real powers that I have an economic influence. It's certainly a hypothesis worth exploring (or is that evidence that I am the power and I'm brainwashing you into thinking I'm openminded?). But people should suck up to me for the time being just in case.
 
blakehaydn said:
. . . we believe that all excess wealth is to be recycled to the lower economic classes, educational system, scientifical foundations and business to better our economy as a whole, and multiply technological progress.
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There is such a thing as excess wealth? Guess I've been a member of the lower economic class too long.

My question is; how are you going to get those with "excess wealth" to give it up? After so many years of tax breaks and borrowing money from the Chinese, the Germans, Latvia, Botswana to pay for our war in Iraq, the New, New Orleans, the earthquake in Paskistan and the floods in Mexico, are they going to just "see the light" and help others? I don't think so.
 
BPSCG said:
So who (or what) actually does the motivating and controlling?
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Me.

Thursday afternoons, from 2-6pm, is my shift, but you have to have been here a while to get day shifts, since it's seniority-based. I think there are a couple of openings for weekend nights, though. Shall I send you an application?
 
Excess wealth

"excess wealth" - now there is a concept. You would hard pressed to find a lot of people who believe they have excess wealth. Most people, even richest, believe they have a little less than they actually need.
 
Mephisto said:
There is such a thing as excess wealth? Guess I've been a member of the lower economic class too long.

My question is; how are you going to get those with "excess wealth" to give it up? After so many years of tax breaks and borrowing money from the Chinese, the Germans, Latvia, Botswana to pay for our war in Iraq, the New, New Orleans, the earthquake in Paskistan and the floods in Mexico, are they going to just "see the light" and help others? I don't think so.
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Like Bill Gates?
 
blakehaydn said:
Ordinarily, political views are motivated and controlled by culture, religion, social standards and the like (supported by an underlying theme of what is "practical" or "just" amongst the brainwashed minds of society). This obviously leads to illogical decisions, which feed off each other, creating even bigger and more complex problems. When aristocratic parties and groups who manipulate these social standards of cultural morality are granted positions in government, it quickly leads to an excess of their empowerment in the economic system. And those who rule the economy ultimately control society through religion, entertainment, etc. This causes an economy that can be ridiculously manipulated by a highly organized and intelligent form of greed, due to unawareness and inaction of the mentally subdued population. The Utopianist Technocratic Party's motives are different from this in the fact that we base our views off of logic and scientific fact and not cultural opinion, and that we believe that all excess wealth is to be recycled to the lower economic classes, educational system, scientifical foundations and business to better our economy as a whole, and multiply technological progress.
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I agree 100%.

But...... who decides what is "excess", and more importantly, why do I have to cover my own needs (baseline) but others get them through entitlement (meaning, I must earn 2x baseline income before I see one penny of "luxury" wealth for myself - luxury as in buying real Cheeri-os and not store brand.)

Your motives are essentially the same as the current "two" (one) party system. Your method is what- technocracy? All the same economics will still apply, just with a special focus (in fact, one as self-serving as any political group).

Still, you're thinking... and that is a very very dangerous thing.
 
blakehaydn said:
The Utopianist Technocratic Party's motives are different from this in the fact that we base our views off of logic and scientific fact and not cultural opinion, and that we believe that all excess wealth is to be recycled to the lower economic classes, educational system, scientifical foundations and business to better our economy as a whole, and multiply technological progress.
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Hmmmm .. I think I've heard this one before. If memory serves, it was just before the gread bombings, when we had to spend several years in the chicken pens with just nails to eat ... :rolleyes:
 
peptoabysmal said:
Like Bill Gates?
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Good point, but I don't think that Bill Gates is representive of those with wealth - as a matter of fact, I'd be willing to bet that even those with a LOT of wealth consider Bill Gates as having excess wealth. Bill Gates himself couldn't shoulder the responsibility for bringing the poor and middle class on a par with even the lower-upper class.

While Gates does support many worthwhile organizations, I'd still assert that he doesn't set the norm for rich people - most of them don't/won't support charity to the same degree, and the "trickle down" philosophy is little more than telling the poor you're pissing on them!
 
BPSCG said:
So who (or what) actually does the motivating and controlling?
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Decisions will be made on scientific fact, not cultural standpoints. The point is to not allow cultural manipultion cause any sort of corruption in society.
 
BPSCG said:
Who, today, has the "excess of empowerment" (love that construction) in the US? And who actually rules the economy? I
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Republicans and democrats (mainstream politicians), major religions, major entertainment organizations, lobbyists and corporations.
 
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