Cuba executes ferry hijackers

[Segnosaur]

So what? What matters about capital punishment in America is what we think. Do you think what they did in Cuba is barbaric? I bet you have an opinion. I know I think it stinks. But why would you think your opinion about it is any more relevant to Cubans than Euros' opinions about us is relevant to you?

Hold on, wait a sec... I'm not trying to turn this into some sort of global debate on political influence.

I made an obervation (nothing more or nothing less)... That many of the same people that praise Cuba also condem the U.S. for its 'barbaric' practices. I'm not suggesting going to war, or droppng a MOAB on Havana or assasinating people with those opinions. It was an observation; hopefully if someone ever gets into a debate with someone who loves Cuba and Castro, but hates the US will remember this event.

My opinion about capital punishment does not matter in this case, since the inconsistency of opinions, not whether capital punishment is right or not.

Actually, I am Canadian, where we don't have capital punishment, so I have even less relevance than anyone in the US or Cuba. I do believe that capital punishment is a good idea, for crimes which warrant it (serial killers, as probably the best example) and for which their is ample proof that the person charged truly is guilty. I do not believe that this particular case (hijack, with no loss of life) warrants the death penalty in any country.

 

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Segnosaur:

Hold on, wait a sec... I'm not trying to turn this into some sort of global debate on political influence.

You brought the Europeans into this thread, not me.

I made an obervation (nothing more or nothing less)... That many of the same people that praise Cuba also condem the U.S. for its 'barbaric' practices. I'm not suggesting going to war, or droppng a MOAB on Havana or assasinating people with those opinions. It was an observation; hopefully if someone ever gets into a debate with someone who loves Cuba and Castro, but hates the US will remember this event.

Well let me quote your "observation."

I wonder why there isn't the anti-capital punishment outcry in this case that you normally hear whenever capital punishment in the US is discussed.

It looks more like a rhetorical question creating a false dilemma that anti-cap.pun. people don't care about what happens to people in Cuba. I'm opposed to cap.pun. here in my country, and I also hate the oppression under which Cubans have lived for the last 40 years -- especially when it comes to swift summary trials and immediate executions. So there's your protest. You think anti-cap.pun. people like Cuba? Show me the evidence.

My opinion about capital punishment does not matter in this case, since the inconsistency of opinions, not whether capital punishment is right or not.

Actually, I am Canadian, where we don't have capital punishment, so I have even less relevance than anyone in the US or Cuba. I do believe that capital punishment is a good idea, for crimes which warrant it (serial killers, as probably the best example) and for which their is ample proof that the person charged truly is guilty. I do not believe that this particular case (hijack, with no loss of life) warrants the death penalty in any country.

I'm sorry I didn't notice in your profile that you're Canadian. I can just imagine what a Canadian execution would look like .. having one of those giant pancakes dropped on you from the CN tower?

 

[Tricky]

I made an obervation (nothing more or nothing less)... That many of the same people that praise Cuba also condem the U.S. for its 'barbaric' practices. I'm not suggesting going to war, or droppng a MOAB on Havana or assasinating people with those opinions. It was an observation; hopefully if someone ever gets into a debate with someone who loves Cuba and Castro, but hates the US will remember this event.

Yeah, it's a pity you can't find any of those brainless liberals around here. Most of us insist on seeing all sides of an issue.

Cuba is a terrible, impoverished, repressive place to live. I cannot blame people for wanting to escape. Of course, all questions are not black and white. Cuba also has great education and pretty good medical care. In my opinion, that is not enough of a reason to "Love Cuba and Castro". I do, however, think that we should normalize relations with them. They are certainly not the only repressive government that we do business with. In fact, when you deal with repressive countries, they are allowed to see what freedom is like. It is a powerful message. (My personal opinion is that the reason Russian communism collapsed is so they could get Levi's.)

If we hadn't cut off relations with Cuba in the sixties, they would probably be our 51st state by now.

 

[Bearguin]

I'm sorry I didn't notice in your profile that you're Canadian. I can just imagine what a Canadian execution would look like .. having one of those giant pancakes dropped on you from the CN tower?

???????????

Maybe death by back bacon, but what giant pancakes???

 

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Gods Advocate:

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Maybe death by back bacon, but what giant pancakes???

Thank you thank you thank you. Every time Canada is mentioned in the forums, I throw in a crack about giant pancakes, just to see if anyone is paying attention. It's about time we blew the lid off this sucker. And I mean man-hole lid. That's the approximate size and weight of a Canadian pancake. They're making such big pancakes, they're about to run out of quadrotriticale. They use more maple syrup yearly than the oil reserves of Iraq just to choke down their dose of pancakes.

Where's the pro-kill-Mumia crowd when it comes to Canadian giant pancake abuse?

 

[Bearguin]

Who are??

I have no idea what the cr@p you're talking about. Granted I love to soak pancakes in true Quebec maple syrup, my pancakes ar no bigger than any others I've seen.

Biggest food difference our countries have is we put flavour and alcohol in our beer

 

[NoZed Avenger]

And by the way, the pro-capital punishment crowd is always calling for faster, faster, faster executions, and for a wider variety of crimes. You guys should be very impressed by the way they do it in Cuba.

Absolutely. Every person that believes 14 years of appeals is too long would just love to put all of the accused into a large bus and drive them off a cliff onto jagged rocks filled with baby seals within minutes of an arrest, with no chance for a trial. Watch - they'll deny it, but we all know the truth.


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[Segnosaur]

You brought the Europeans into this thread, not me.

Yes, but only in response to a statement you made about people only protesting where they could have an influence (i.e. in their own country) and not protesting Cuban actions because, well, the protests would have no value.

I was just pointing out a large group of people who could not influence anything (the Europeans), who criticize the US but who often like Cuba.

It looks more like a rhetorical question creating a false dilemma that anti-cap.pun. people don't care about what happens to people in Cuba. I'm opposed to cap.pun. here in my country, and I also hate the oppression under which Cubans have lived for the last 40 years -- especially when it comes to swift summary trials and immediate executions. So there's your protest. You think anti-cap.pun. people like Cuba? Show me the evidence.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who share your views (hate both capital punishment, and hate Castro.) There may even be people who are for capital punishment, and are for Castro.

My observation/comments were directed at the people who have made many anti-US capital punishment statements, yet fail to criticize Cuba for the same actions (or worse). (They many not agree with what Cuba did, but they don't feel its important enough to make a point of it.)

Now, to try to go sort though postings to try to find Castro supporters who also criticize the death penalty would take more time than I have. I could see someone along the lines of AUP (whom I believe accused Bush of murdering people in Texas), or UCE, or Q-Source, who criticize the US regularly, but who also think Cuba is a nice country with plenty of human rights. (My apologies in advance to any of the 3 if they actually have criticized cap. punishment in Cuba, or agree with it applied in the US.)

I'm sorry I didn't notice in your profile that you're Canadian. I can just imagine what a Canadian execution would look like .. having one of those giant pancakes dropped on you from the CN tower?

That's ok. I'm a bit ashamed to be Canadian right now.

We used to use hanging back when we had capital punishment. Personally, I think they should be beaten with hockey sticks and then knawed to death by beavers.

 

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Gods Advocate:
Who are??

I have no idea what the cr@p you're talking about. Granted I love to soak pancakes in true Quebec maple syrup, my pancakes ar no bigger than any others I've seen.

Biggest food difference our countries have is we put flavour and alcohol in our beer

Well, the few times I've been to Canada, they must have hidden them under the mattresses. But there was a short-lived restaurant chain in NYC called The Royal Canadian Pancake House (or something like that -- I know it had "Canadian" in the title). They had these obscenely huge pancakes -- like if you order a plate of pancakes for yourself, and didn't know what to expect, you'd get this plate of 3 pancakes, each of which could feed a family of four. I AM NOT EXAGGERATING. I bet it's a Yukon thing. That's why you're not clued in.

 

[Khalid01]

Ever wonder about those East German soldiers who shot people as they tried to escape over the wall? Why there were no demonstrations in West Europe?

Oh, of course it was because those Eurotrash were a bunch of leftist oppression-lovers I mean there was only the entire soviet bloc on the other side of the wall! If someone just lifted a finger against a nuclear power, everyone would be happy! What I want to know is why those West-Germans were so happy to see the wall fall, they should have been devestated!

What would protesting have accomplished anyhow? At the most there might have been a mention of it in the UN, but that's probably all.

 

[Bearguin]

That's ok. I'm a bit ashamed to be Canadian right now.

We used to use hanging back when we had capital punishment. Personally, I think they should be beaten with hockey sticks and then knawed to death by beavers.

Don't be ashamed to be Canadian, just be ashamed of our Government.

And on the death penalty, I'm still against it in principle. I just worry that David Milgaard and others would have been executed for crimes they did not commit and doubt there will ever be a 100% fool-proof system. I agree that some in Canada have deserved it, but the price (possibly executing an innocent) is too high for me.

I think we should force them to live in Northern Sasketchewan in a big compound where they fend for themselves.

 

[Segnosaur]

Don't be ashamed to be Canadian, just be ashamed of our Government.

Its too easy to say that.

But the fact is, if an election were held today, opinion polls Cretien would become Prime Minister again. (Yes, he would not get 50%+1 of the overall vote, but then again, a lot of Canadians would vote for parties like the Bloc). The more he screws up, the higher his popularity gets.

We Canadians (as a group) are either too stupid or too apathetic to know what is wrong with the government and be willing to fix it.

 

[Q-Source]

It would be nice if Castro would just die already.

You are so sweet

Following your reasoning, I think it would be a good idea to kill all poor people in order to get rid of poverty

 

[Q-Source]

Now, to try to go sort though postings to try to find Castro supporters who also criticize the death penalty would take more time than I have. I could see someone along the lines of AUP (whom I believe accused Bush of murdering people in Texas), or UCE, or Q-Source, who criticize the US regularly, but who also think Cuba is a nice country with plenty of human rights. (My apologies in advance to any of the 3 if they actually have criticized cap. punishment in Cuba, or agree with it applied in the US.)

So...Segnosaur, I see that now that you don't have any valid arguments to defend, you resort to lies...

Coming from you, I am not surprised at all.

That's ok. I'm a bit ashamed to be Canadian right now.

Edited to delete an offense. I don't want to bite that again.

 

[armageddonman]

Hijacking was April 2, execution April 11. I wonder what kind of legal representations these guys got.

Probably the same as the detainees in Guantanamo Bay are getting.

 

[LW]

Not necessarily just Americans... People in Europe like to point to capital punishment in America as 'barbaric'. (Many europeans on this board have that attitude too.)

I'm from Europe. I'm against the death penalty. You haven't seen me protesting this Cuban execution because as a rule I don't go around protesting against things.