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Cryptozoology ever find anything?

Ranb

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Cryptozoology, The scientific study of hidden animals.

I was watching the History channel tonight, Histories mysteries. It seemed rather woo woo with few skeptical viewpoints offered at all.

Has a cryptozoologist ever contributed to the discovery of a previously unknown animal species? Or are they no more helpful to the public than para-psychologists?

Ranb
 
Oh man, it's going to be almost impossible to define cryptozoologist. Some people argued for the existence of a huge squid, then we found one. Does that count? I have no idea.

~~ Paul
 
Ranb said:
Cryptozoology, The scientific study of hidden animals.

I was watching the History channel tonight, Histories mysteries. It seemed rather woo woo with few skeptical viewpoints offered at all.

Has a cryptozoologist ever contributed to the discovery of a previously unknown animal species? Or are they no more helpful to the public than para-psychologists?

Ranb

Does the finding of a fish, once thought to be long extinct by scientists, count as a cryptozoological finding?
 
Does the finding of a fish, once thought to be long extinct by scientists, count as a cryptozoological finding?

No. Why should it? The coelacanth was discovered by fisherman few days before Christmas in 1938, at the mouth of theChalumna River on the east coast of South Africa.

They were always there. I don't even think cryptozoology existed per se back when this prehistoric survivor was discovered. It was mainstream zoologists and ichthyologists who identified it. Since then they are regularly seen and occasionally captured in the same waters.

New species are discovered all the time. It would be fair to say they were not discovered before because they were “hidden” or cryptic in their habits or localities. Many in out of the way places, unexplored terrain. The depths of the oceans and deepwater lakes qualify under this reasoning. Or they are simply not recognized nor have they come to the attention of science. Sometimes they are found lying preserved in museum collections for decades. Regular zoologists, without the crypto modifier are fully capable of identifying new species. The cryptozoological field is quick to take credit for the discovery of new species such as the coelacanth or Viet Namese (Quang Tri Forest) miniature leaf or muntjack deer (Muntiacus trungsonensis) But in reality they had nothing to do with such discoveries except to say “see, see…I told you there are undiscovered species.” OK. Sure. In the last 100 years fewer than ten new mammal species have been discovered. However, there have been many new species of life forms found among fish, birds, amphibians, reptiles and arthropods. Cryptozoology seems to have attracted a following of big-foot, yeti and lake monster searchers. When or IF a big hairy primate is captured or retrieved in the Himalayas or the wilderness of the American NW or a dinosaur is found to have survived in Lake Champlain, you can be certain a mainstream zoologist will be the one to prove it or not. In the meantime cryptozoologists cling to their beliefs that mythical beasts exist, that legend is always true and that footprints and other evidence is not hoaxed or fabricated. We all need a hobby.



http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~vern/species.html


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There are interesting photos fr LIFE Magazine)and a diagram if you scroll down on the following website and find them over the caption that follows. This is the kind of material that interests cryptozoologists:

http://theshadowlands.net/serpent.htm


This carcass was picked up by the Japanese fishing boat MS Zuiyomaru off the coast of Japan. The carcass was covered with a fatty tissue which had badly decayed. The creature weighed about 1 ton. The Captain ordered it thrown back because of it's smell so it was never closely examined. Scientists studying the picture were unable to tell what kind of animal it was. It does not resemble any known sea dwelling creature. Skeptical scientists assumed it was a decayed body of a basking shark. Upon further examination, other biologists claim the size, fin placement, and overall appearance does not support the basking shark theory. The sketch shown above is a drawing of what the creature would look like laid out flat.
 
Well, before we can decide whether cryptozoologists ever "find anything", we must first decide exactly what a cryptozoologist is. I've done enough research on the subject to have formed what, I believe, is a workable definition.

Cryptozoologist - a person who collects stories of monsters and strange animals (insisting that these stories comprise some sort of evidence) while proceeding to sit on his/her duff and complain that scientists aren't actively dedicating time and capital toward looking for said monsters/strange animals.

Does this sound like a workable definition?

To be fair, "cryptozoologists" occasionally launch a half-hearted "expedition" to chase certain monsters, like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster. Problem is, they without exception call off these expeditions as failures for finding no evidence, falling back (again) on grainy, fuzzy, and out-of-focus photos from "witnesses" who aren't cryptozoologists to "prove" that there's something out there worth looking for.

Incidentally, the "giant squid" acknowledged by science (specimens of which have popped up on occasion) is not quite the ship-seizing, crew-eating monster that "cryptozoologists" used to talk about.
 
Has anyone seen a giant squid alive yet? It's one of those pieces of video I've been waiting to see for a while. I recall some guys strapped a camera to a blue whale, but it fell off before it could film any giant squid.
 
As far as I know the only giant squid ever seen alive was a tiny newborn one about one inch long. Some researcher figured he could catch a young one and grow it to full size in an aquarium. A pretty ambitious project. He apparently caught two or three newborns, but they were dead by the time he got back to shore. Several experts examined the little things and stated they were baby giant squids. That would have been an impressive aquarium display. Saw it on TV, last year.
 
Cryptozoologist: Someone who secretly thinks they are a REAL zoologist, but everyone else knows they are not.
 
I have had my eyes on a swedish cryptozoology organisation that is called GUST (Global Underwater Search Team). They claim that there is an unknown type of creature in the lake where I oftengo fishing. They eas here last summer to record sounds and capture whatever they believe it is on camera. They were here for a week, and only came up with some crappy sounds, that can´t be identified. They have hostile attitude agaist "scientists" because they will not recognize their finds and vague theories. They really define what a pseudoscientist is. Almost every story is vague, and interpreted into what GUST want to believe. They do not understand that anecdotal evidence have no value. They seem to be willling to believe anything that is unusual, but to give some credit, they have been skeptical, but mostly after things have been declared as a natural phenomenon. But go look for yourself, I find it entertaining to check it in every once in a while.

The URL is www.gust.st

( There is an english version)

Too bad their forum has been down for some time, there where some people there who tried to have serious discussion on unexplained phenomenons. Also, check out the article on a giant catfish, it´s a hilariuos misunderstanding of actual size of the fish.
 
I recall one of the episodes of the Xfiles had people vanishing from around a lake. Mulder as usual dreamed up alien monsters to explain matters, but it turned out to be a big gator that was responsible.
I was just sitting back thinking "good on you" for the "twist" in the tail of having a logical explanation for once, when the final shot of the lake before the credits featured some obviously unusual surface disturbance, suggesting a different, un-natural cause altogether.
 
Donks said:
Has anyone seen a giant squid alive yet? It's one of those pieces of video I've been waiting to see for a while. I recall some guys strapped a camera to a blue whale, but it fell off before it could film any giant squid.

It was sperm whale, rorquals like the blue whale, balaenoptera musculus don't dive deep enough.

More or less complete bodies have been recovered in nets, so it's existence and size are pretty much beyond debate. It's habits are, as you might expect, somewhat enigmatic, but as far as is known it's a big freaking squid.
 
B.S said:
As far as I know the only giant squid ever seen alive was a tiny newborn one about one inch long. Some researcher figured he could catch a young one and grow it to full size in an aquarium. A pretty ambitious project. He apparently caught two or three newborns, but they were dead by the time he got back to shore. Several experts examined the little things and stated they were baby giant squids. That would have been an impressive aquarium display. Saw it on TV, last year.
That would be Dr. Steve O'Shea in New Zealand. He posts here. I believe there was footage of giant squid, but I'm too lazy to look for it now. Here is a thread about the first pictures of a living giant squid. Believe it or not, the giant squid is not the biggest squid. That would be the colossal squid. (link goes to Discovery Channel streaming video featuring Dr. O'Shea performing an autopsy on one)
 
Can the story of Darwin and the (not so) little moth pictured below be considered as cryptozoology?

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Taken from this page on the subject:

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cryptozoo/dossiers/moth.htm
 
neutrino_cannon said:
It was sperm whale, rorquals like the blue whale, balaenoptera musculus don't dive deep enough.
Ah, thanks. I just remembered is was a very large whale, and was too lazy to google.
AK-Dave said:
Here is a thread about the first pictures of a living giant squid. Believe it or not, the giant squid is not the biggest squid. That would be the colossal squid. (link goes to Discovery Channel streaming video featuring Dr. O'Shea performing an autopsy on one)

Colossal squid? Oh they are just making ◊◊◊◊ up now! :D
Thanks for the links:)
 
Donks said:
Ah, thanks. I just remembered is was a very large whale, and was too lazy to google.


Colossal squid? Oh they are just making ◊◊◊◊ up now! :D
Thanks for the links:)
Presenting The Colossal Squid. Well, a disussion about it elsewhere on this board, anyway.
 

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