Ed Cryptozoology and megafauna

Haven't there been cases of new fossil species being discovered by looking through museum drawers or does that just happen with small inverabrates?

Happens all the time. Modern paleontology/archaeology addresses human bones extremely thoroughly. In the past....well....not so much. If Bigfoot believers want to obtain the taxonomic and anatomical knowledge necessary to identify fossil mammals and sort through the collections in museums, I'm all for that. They won't find any Bigfoot remains (I seriously doubt that we'd have extracted ALL the bones), but they'll certainly make other significant discoveries. I don't believe we've classified much of the stuff from the Bone Wars; it's saurian, not mammalian, but it illustrates my point.

Still, your characterization isn't accurate. Even in the past human remains were fairly well studied. No one "just toss[es fossils] in drawers like they're no big deal". Museum curation is a process, and involves much more than simply tossing stuff in drawers. The most poorly-studied specimens will be put into boxes, with a tag listing a unique identifying number, collector, location, lithology, date of collection, and a tentative identification. This tentative identification can be "Brachiopod", but it's there--and with ape bones of any kind, it's going to be much more, given the high interest in human evolution. If the specimen doesn't have such a tag, it's basically worthless (fires can render whole collections completely worthless, even if they don't damage a single specimen).

If you want to see what's involved, I recommend poking around in this Zooniverse project. It shows what's required to be on labels for museum specimens (along with the annoying degree of variation therein).
 
It is? Perhaps you could enlighten us by providing some peer-reviewed journal articles that specifically address the strength of that evidence.

Oh. So you're one of "them". It doesn't exist until certain people give you permission to accept it. Okay.
 
And this simply finalizes the argument. I can't think of anything more ignorant, in regards to eolvutionary theory and similar, than comparing variation in a species that has been artificially and selectively bred for hundreds of years to that within a species not undergoing those pressures. It shows several points of ignorance, such as a complete lack of understanding of how selection occurs, a lack of understanding of the mechanisms required for that selection to take hold in a population, a complete lack of the rate of change that can occur with selective breeding, and many, many other things. Basically, at this point, the only way you could reasonably compare variation in dogs to variation in Bigfeets is to expand the proposition to include not one, but a multitude of distinct breeding groups, each isolated (either physically or behaviorally) from each other, when there is no good evidence for even a single such group existing.

Trying to make your argument even more absurd doesn't strengthen your case.

Yawn.

Okay. You don't like dogs. Take bears then. Big bears. Little bears. Brown bears. White bears. Black bears. It's essentially equal to the size and color variation reported for the walking ape.
 
Its the interwebs... You can be anything you want.
That hot young blonde woman at the forum may actually be a fat ugly guy which is actually a hot young brunette woman.

You can pretend to be a scientist, a bigfoot eyewitness or a bigfoot enthusiast pretending to be a fence-sitter or a skeptic.

The possibilities are endless.

True.
 
My mind is neither open nor closed, in the sense that anyone uses the terms. I'm a scientist--show me the data and I'll determine if it's sufficient to convince me. So far, nothing presented for Bigfoot has been convincing. The most damning absence is the complete lack of fossils.

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What kind of a scientist are you?

Also, do you know how many Gigantopithecus fossils have been found?
 
Sockpuppet?
Too polite to be Huntster...
Is Munns a creationist?
Not wacko enough for Historian...
Too articulated for Makaya...

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm just me. I think I found this place because of the less than amazing Amega Wand.
 
It's unusual that the only people in active pro-Bigfoot argument right now on JREF both think that Bigfoot is Gigantopithecus.

You and LazarusTaxon are saying the same thing.

You've really come on strong all of a sudden arguing for Bigfoot and with insider knowledge (dermal ridges) after being a member here for 3 years. Is Bigfoot a new belief for you?

Interestingly, a great number of Bigfooters are also religious and specifically Evangelical Christian. I thought maybe you are also after reading a couple of your earlier posts...





Are you a Creationist who believes that God created Bigfoot?

I don't know the other person you're referring to. I'm very busy. I rarely have time for this board. I'm not Lazarus. I reach my own conclusions.

Yes. I'm a Christian. Genesis tells us God created the universe. God also created life. I suppose that will bring on some flaming. That's okay. It's just a message board.

I don't know why you consider dermal ridges to be "insider" knowledge. Aren't you aware of dermal ridges?
 
What kind of a scientist are you?

Also, do you know how many Gigantopithecus fossils have been found?

From what I gather from all his posts here (and I think he said it once), Dinwar is an expert palaeontologist -- exactly the right kind of guy for this job.

And as for the fossil thing, I'm sure he could say more since he's the expert on all this and I could be all wrong, but I'd point out that Giganto has more than 0 fossils and Bigfoot has 0 (I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong on that, though). I'd also think that given that Bigfoot is supposedly everywhere on the globe, that a fossil should've turned up somewhere... but they don't (?!). Note that for a similarly-widespread primate species -- humans -- remains turn up all over, yet that doesn't happen for Bigfoot. Bigfoot looks shaky in that regard. 0 Bigfoot fossils have been found. (And you can't say "Giganto = BF" so they've been found -- the connection between Giganto and BF is not at all proven, it is pure speculation.)
 
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I don't know the other person you're referring to. I'm very busy. I rarely have time for this board. I'm not Lazarus. I reach my own conclusions.

Yes. I'm a Christian. Genesis tells us God created the universe. God also created life. I suppose that will bring on some flaming. That's okay. It's just a message board.

I don't know why you consider dermal ridges to be "insider" knowledge. Aren't you aware of dermal ridges?

You are a seasoned Bigfooter but you waited 3 years to say anything about it here. It's really weird that you aren't engaging LazTax considering that you both believe in the absurd idea that Gigantopithecus still walks and slobbers and is doing it in American forests. You guys should have a lot to say to each other. But no. It's like you mean nothing to each other.

Anyway, I started to think that God might be preventing Bigfoot from being confirmed. Not simply that Bigfoot is especially skilled at avoiding confirmation - but that God is helping Bigfoot stay unconfirmed by tweaking and controlling what happens here on Earth.

IOW, Bigfoot (Gigantopithecus) remains unconfirmed because that is God's will.

What do you think?
 
You are a seasoned Bigfooter but you waited 3 years to say anything about it here. It's really weird that you aren't engaging LazTax considering that you both believe in the absurd idea that Gigantopithecus still walks and slobbers and is doing it in American forests. You guys should have a lot to say to each other. But no. It's like you mean nothing to each other.

Anyway, I started to think that God might be preventing Bigfoot from being confirmed. Not simply that Bigfoot is especially skilled at avoiding confirmation - but that God is helping Bigfoot stay unconfirmed by tweaking and controlling what happens here on Earth.

IOW, Bigfoot (Gigantopithecus) remains unconfirmed because that is God's will.

What do you think?

I think you're a very funny guy.
 
From what I gather from all his posts here (and I think he said it once), Dinwar is an expert palaeontologist -- exactly the right kind of guy for this job.

And as for the fossil thing, I'm sure he could say more since he's the expert on all this and I could be all wrong, but I'd point out that Giganto has more than 0 fossils and Bigfoot has 0 (I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong on that, though). I'd also think that given that Bigfoot is supposedly everywhere on the globe, that a fossil should've turned up somewhere... but they don't (?!). Note that for a similarly-widespread primate species -- humans -- remains turn up all over, yet that doesn't happen for Bigfoot. Bigfoot looks shaky in that regard. 0 Bigfoot fossils have been found. (And you can't say "Giganto = BF" so they've been found -- the connection between Giganto and BF is not at all proven, it is pure speculation.)

Good. I hope he confirms that.
 
Good point about grizzlies, but Bigfoot might have more brains than a grizzly. That's my guess anyway.

And if you don't buy this excuse, I can come up with dozens more, lol.

You're apparently one of those people who will only accept Bigfoot when we have a body on a slab. That's okay with me.

Why a slab? A live specimen in a cage would work just as well. It seems you're one of those folks who will say anything to avoid the logical conclusion that there is no bigfoot.

I'm not aware of anyone who claims Bigfoot is everywhere. However, I admit I'm only slightly interested in the topic so I could be wrong on that point.

And yet you make the same lame arguments one would expect from any die-hard footer.
 
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