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Iamme said:
Hans---You went through a lot of effort rebutting my post. I had the coutesy to read it all. But tell me this: CAN you get to the EXACT most center of the leaf, down to the most subatomic particle. That is what I'm getting at. The outer rim of the leaf stops at the atmosphere. But where does the makings of an atom stop. Maybe there isn't one. Maybe imatter gets smaller and smaller into infinitum, where, as once scientist has 'proven', that it finally spontaneosly appears out of nothingness.
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Isn't the same true of all matter? Not just leaves? I am just trying to get this straight. You are speaking mainly about the nature of atoms and subatomic particles rather than the nature of leaves, yes? Doesn't this apparant paradox apply to space as well? The "one can never cross a room" problem reffers to the fact that one must always cross half the distance from one point to another as he travels. He can keep dividing the remaining distance in half and thus never quite make it from one spot to another. What you seem to be pointing out is a that we have not yet discovered the smallest particles of matter, we don't think. Has it been proven that there is anything but empty space at the center of the leaf? Or am I now just illustarting that I am not a physicist by any stretch of the imagination?

Glory
 
Iamme said:
Hans---You went through a lot of effort rebutting my post. I had the coutesy to read it all. But tell me this: CAN you get to the EXACT most center of the leaf, down to the most subatomic particle. That is what I'm getting at. The outer rim of the leaf stops at the atmosphere. But where does the makings of an atom stop. Maybe there isn't one. Maybe imatter gets smaller and smaller into infinitum, where, as once scientist has 'proven', that it finally spontaneosly appears out of nothingness.
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The center of the leaf is a mathematical construct. They can be exact.

Measuring the leaf, etc, are physical experiments. They have a margin of error.

Now, as to the "most subatomic particle", you need to study up on the meaning of Heisenburg Uncertainty.
 
Glory---Yers...you are comprehending what I am getting at.

jj---My bad. Bad illustration by using the leaf. You are right, if you are finding the center of the leaf...on the 2d plane. Take any 3d object though. Like a ball. The outer edge meets the air. There is a definite place where material of ball ends and air begins. However, as you try to get to the most miniscule center of the ball, you may find, as Glory said...that you will be dividing halfs, till eternity. Perhaps. I guess we don't know yet if there is a certain point at which a subatomic particle can get no smaller, or, if it does keep getting smaller, and smaller, and smaller, and smaller...a pi thing...where you can't ever get to the end of it.
 
Iamme said:
Glory---Yers...you are comprehending what I am getting at.

jj---My bad. Bad illustration by using the leaf. You are right, if you are finding the center of the leaf...on the 2d plane. Take any 3d object though. Like a ball. The outer edge meets the air. There is a definite place where material of ball ends and air begins. However, as you try to get to the most miniscule center of the ball, you may find, as Glory said...that you will be dividing halfs, till eternity. Perhaps. I guess we don't know yet if there is a certain point at which a subatomic particle can get no smaller, or, if it does keep getting smaller, and smaller, and smaller, and smaller...a pi thing...where you can't ever get to the end of it.
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Still no problem, the question is in the measurement. 1d, 2d, 3d, except for error bars, all same.
 
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