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Crop circle debunking help needed

I posted on a Crop Circle Facebook page something similar to the following;

If I were an alien, and had just traveled several light-years to visit the planet earth, with the purpose of communicating with the people of that earth, I am not going to scrape a perfect circle or two in a rural farm field. I am going to put on a show, let them know I'm here, give them a way to contact me, perhaps use my superior technology to actually make contact with the leaders of the planet. I'm not going to waste my time flattening some feed crops.
 
gigo, because their first priority may be to consider the general public reaction. Especially the country they decide to do the "live interview" from. For instance, the guy attacking a senator yesterday. Some say that was from info he believed, or negative influences, whatever from his natural surroundings.

Wassup Akhenaten? I was gonna start with some formulas of man hours ...time in/ time out. But was more wondering if you got any crops that you researched, because I know if its symbols, u da man. I always feel humbled and ignorant when I see you quoting me in your post.
 
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"It's not going to pass for very natural."- HansMustermann , If i saw that and was a skeptic. I'd say it looks like another Italy soccer scoreboard advert.
 
chuck4842 said:
gigo, because their first priority may be to consider the general public reaction. Especially the country they decide to do the "live interview" from. For instance, the guy attacking a senator yesterday. Some say that was from info he believed, or negative influences, whatever from his natural surroundings.
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Right, because if an alien ship with such advanced technology shows up that it can travel hundreds or thousands of light years, and go up and down to make crop circles, and can stay cloaked while we scratch our heads about those crop circles... it can't have the smarts or space on their shuttle to just bring the reporter and cameraman on board their ship instead of sticking the ambassador on a street corner.

And obviously they can't have such advanced technology as an unmanned drone with a transmitter to make first contact, if they're affraid of being shot. I mean, we only use those even to bomb the crap out of Afghans these days, and use computers even to land a frikken chemical-engine shuttle (they're not landed manually), but a ship coming to do first contact obviously can't figure those out.

And if they're coming down to make crop circles anyway, obviously they can't instead of that stick an alien videophone in a cardboard box and mail it to Fox News, CBS, MSNBC and a few others to arrange a meeting on their terms.

Sorry, I'm still with Akhenaten. A race doesn't get to interplanetary travel while being unable to even figure out anything smarter than a circle in wheat to communicate.

chuck4842 said:
"It's not going to pass for very natural."- HansMustermann , If i saw that and was a skeptic. I'd say it looks like another Italy soccer scoreboard advert.
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The kind of guy who'd see that a new satellite has sprung up in orbit without anyone noticing it, and that it's transmitting a code, and thinks that, isn't a skeptic, it's a dumbass.

And sorry, the idea that making a circle in wheat is more skeptic-convincing than that, is silly to the extreme.
 
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chuck4842 said:
Wassup Akhenaten? I was gonna start with some formulas of man hours ...time in/ time out.
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That's Rodney's specialty. I'm sure he'd love to see what you've got.


chuck4842 said:
But was more wondering if you got any crops that you researched, because I know if its symbols, u da man.
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Yes, I've researched them all. No aliens. Sorry.


chuck4842 said:
I always feel humbled and ignorant when I see you quoting me in your post.
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One should never fight one's feelings, I always say.
 
I'm sure the aliens would be receiving our terrestrial radio frequencies and would be clever enough to figure out how to transmit their own messages over radios worldwide if they were smart enough to develop faster-than-light drives.

Heck, if the aliens were smart enough to develop faster-than-light drives, they'd probably be smart enough to learn English and a few other languages such as French and Spanish before they got here. Then they wouldn't need to mess around with cryptic messages in grain crops that look exactly like something somebody made with a plank and two ropes in the middle of the night.

Even if they didn't learn any terrestrial languages I'm pretty sure they could figure out a way to communicate with us other than smashing our crops, like hovering directly over the Superbowl or the Academy Awards*.


*Which would ensure many more watchers than hovering over the White House or Parliament buildings since more people care about entertainment than politics.
 
I have it all figured out.

The aliens are here and in contact with all the governments of the world, now we all know how long it takes a government bureaucracy to get anything done, right? Well multiply that by all the world's governments needing to get on the same page all at the same time to answer the alien's questions, negotiate or whatever. It's going to take a lot of time to form a consensus and respond to the aliens.

The crop circles are not messages to us, it's the bored aliens doodling while they wait for a response from the governments of the world. :D
 
A friend of mine who is also a firm believer in the powers of crop circle visited one and came back all gushing and enthusing about the "energies" and healing she felt. She asked me to check this particular circle out on the internet and I found information on one of the "crop circle" woo sites.

Even that site admitted that this particular circle was known man made and named the artist.

My friend would not accept that - she was adamant it was real. Unfortunately these people have too much invested in this woo and no amount of logic or confession is going to sway them. They quite happily latch on to any explanation other than the simplest. i.e Time travelers, earth energies, quantum (insert favourite word or phrase here).

And she still takes her little bottles of water to be loaded with the essences of crop circle energy - sighh
 
kittynh said:
Some of you may know I work a lot with UFO and alien abductee believers.

One problem I have is with crop circles. WHen I talk about government conspiracy cover up (in regards to UFOs and aliens) I point out that with all the people involved, someone would talk. In fact lots of someones and honesty, can you see all the governments of the world cooperating on this "cover up"?

But eventually someone tells me that crop circles are REAL and done by aliens (they lose me hear, for all we know trolls could make crop circles). THey say "would all the poeple making these circles keep quiet?" I can point to the two nice old men that come forward, and some faked video, but for the number of circles I can't find much. I can find lots of explainations and lots of people that show how to make crop circles. But it seems that actual "I made THIS" confessions are few. Or maybe I don't know where to find reputable ones.


ALso, one lead I was following up (a member of a group that supposedly makes crop circles, though I never got a confession) told me "The reason you don't have more crop circle in the US is your farmers have more guns and aren't afraid to use them".

Any help is welcome. It seems if I can show "look anyone can make one" isn't the same as proving aliens didn't make them... sigh
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have you seen the interviews with the displosure project?
some do talk, and a few dont sound ******* crazy.
 
MRC_Hans said:
This.

I also, when somebody blabbers about them being too complicated to be made by humans, like to point to this (picture attached).

To make those letters, in the right font is extremely complicated. And it was made by humans, they even got paid for their trouble.

Hans
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I can't believe you all fell for it! Hans' pic has obviously been tampered with, the original, untampered pic looks like this:



The more vigilant amongst you will notice the self portrait of the 'grey'. The scholars here would also be aware that the text is in the ancient language of the 'Qxzjudoa' (pronounced 'bollox') from a little known planet 'Clinker' orbiting the brown dwarf star 'Buttcrackz' in Andromeda. The clear message says 'I can't believe it's not butter, even though you've told me it isn't and it tastes bugger all like butter and it goes slimey on toast and forms a dirty brown sludge when marmite is spread on top and then sticks to the roof of your mouth for an hour.'

Sheesh! Some people will believe anything.
 
"We come from a vastly distant solar system.

We travel countless light years to get here.

We use technology so superior to your own it would appear indistinguishable from magic.

We use wheat fields for post-it notes."
 
There are people here now who can't understand each other, I have a mute friend, I don't know sign language, so he constantly writes on paper when we try to communicate. Sometimes drawing pictures. Some researchers claim homosapiens wiped out neanderthals by our ability to communicate with a more developed larynx. Neanderthals had larger brains than us but hadn't considered any forms of exchanging info. other than their own. Some here assume aliens have a human developed larynx, when our own species isn't even the same.
 
HansMustermann said:
Bingo.

For a start they would have figured that there's more than one government on Earth, so if one set of leaders refuses to talk to them, there are about 200 more. Plus, newspapers, TV stations, etc. There's no way they'd _all_ absolutely refuse the free publicity of having the first televised interview with the Romulan ambassador.

But let's even say they want to be vague and cryptic in their "we're here" signals.

Any race that can build a ship that can cross the Galaxy is going to, at the very least, understand maths. And it makes a very nice starting point too for communication with another species that is also at least at the point of understanding basic arithmetic.

E.g., the sequence of prime numbers. E.g., 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97. Or the Fibonacci numbers. If you want to give someone the idea "we're here, guys", you just put a buoy up there with a light that flashes that sequence over and over again. It's not going to pass for very natural.

That they'd just make a circle in a wheat field, is surrealistic.
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I've seen crop circles with binary code, the tree of life, that sagan 4th dimension cube thingamajig, ... in other words what YOU asked for and more....not "just a circle".
 
chuck4842 said:
I've seen crop circles with binary code, the tree of life, that sagan 4th dimension cube thingamajig, ... in other words what YOU asked for and more....not "just a circle".
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Seen crop circles that looked like Elvis.
 
chuck4842 said:
There are people here now who can't understand each other.
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Funny you should say that.


chuck4842 said:
Neanderthals had larger brains than us but hadn't considered any forms of exchanging info. other than their own.
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So they should have made some crop circles?


chuck4842 said:
Some here assume aliens have a human developed larynx, when our own species isn't even the same.
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Could you please quote the posts that have made this assumption, and possibly explain what it is that our own species isn't the same as?
 
chuck4842 said:
I've seen crop circles with binary code, the tree of life, that sagan 4th dimension cube thingamajig, ... in other words what YOU asked for and more....not "just a circle".
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On the assumption that you're referring to a tesseract, at least your point about some people having difficulty in understanding each other is well made.
 
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