Split Thread Criticisms of 9/11 Commission Report

[Childlike Empress]

Split from recent tv show

Posted By: Agatha

I recently saw a tv show, who's basic premise was that the inquiry into the twin towers collapse, was that the commission failed to take into account the massive amounts of aluminium injected into the buildings in the form of the two planes.

apart from the fact that I was totally ignorant of the fact that aluminium is explosive under the right conditions, it appeared to provide a logical explanation

hiw likely is this to be at least a partial explanation?

"The commission"? They didn't look into any collapses. It was just myth making based on "evidence" derived from torture and a vivid fantasy sharpened by earlier projects.

 

[mikado]

"The commission"? They didn't look into any collapses. It was just myth making based on "evidence" derived from torture and a vivid fantasy sharpened by earlier projects.

total nonsense.

 

[Childlike Empress]

total nonsense.

Why don't you take a look at the 9/11 commission report itself (you obviously haven't)? Technical analysis (and in the case of WTC7 even mentioning) of building collapses were done by NIST, not the 9/11 commission.

 

[DGM]

Why don't you take a look at the 9/11 commission report itself (you obviously haven't)? Technical analysis (and in the case of WTC7 even mentioning) of building collapses were done by NIST, not the 9/11 commission.

Small detail. It was mentioned, in the part were the site destruction detail was documented.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Press for Truth is still the authoritative film about the work of the 9/11 commission:

 

[DGM]

Press for Truth is still the authoritative film about the work of the 9/11 commission:

I think the report speaks for itself.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Small detail. It was mentioned, in the part were the site destruction detail was documented.

Please provide exact reference. I could well be wrong on that but am too lazy to look it up.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I think the report speaks for itself.

Indeed it does.

 

[DGM]

Please provide exact reference. I could well be wrong on that but am too lazy to look it up.

I'm also too lazy at this point to look it up. It was mentioned along with the other buildings and damage done on 9/11. I believe the reference came from the fema damage assessment.

 

[The Big Dog]

Please provide exact reference. I could well be wrong on that but am too lazy to look it up.

Page 47

 

[Childlike Empress]

I'm also too lazy at this point to look it up. It was mentioned along with the other buildings and damage done on 9/11. I believe the reference came from the fema damage assessment.

Ok, let's settle on "was not investigated but maybe mentioned in passing" in the 9/11 commission report.

 

[beachnut]

total nonsense.

Correct

The primary heat source for the WTC towers was office fires - equal to over 2,700 tons of TNT, they were many time more than the jet fuel heat.
The NIST reports on the WTC, and FEMA did a report.

 

[DGM]

Ok, let's settle on "was not investigated but maybe mentioned in passing" in the 9/11 commission report.

Works for me. It falls into the category of collateral damage, agree?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Works for me. It falls into the category of collateral damage, agree?

Of course not. It falls into a black hole.

 

[Childlike Empress]

If aluminum scrapes against rust during the collapse, you actually get a mini-thermite reaction.

Did you ever watch Press for Truth, Chris? I know, I know, you don't want to get "political", right?

 

[DGM]

Of course not. It falls into a black hole.

Is WTC3 or St Nicholas Cathedral also "black hole"? You do know the "93" bomb was placed under WTC3, not the towers.

 

[The Big Dog]

Of course not. It falls into a black hole.

Silly press, focusing on the thousands of people that died instead of some obscure collateral damage that con artists use over a decade later to prey on the gullible.

WTC 4 was destroyed too! Inside jobbity job!

 

[beachnut]

Did you ever watch Press for Truth, Chris? I know, I know, you don't want to get "political", right?

What was the conclusion? And how does that conclusion get close to the OP thread topic?

Press for Truth is still the authoritative film about the work of the 9/11 commission:

The authoritative work about the 9/11 commission, the 9/11 commission report. If you want a filer to it, then youtube will have the filtered versions.

 

[pgimeno]

Split from recent tv show

Posted By: Agatha

"The commission"? They didn't look into any collapses. It was just myth making based on "evidence" derived from torture and a vivid fantasy sharpened by earlier projects.

Without delving into the first part, I think the second part of your claim (highlighted) is highly inaccurate. The commission report cites lots of sources, none of them includes torture. Can you cite just one passage where evidence was derived from torture?

ETA: Just for the sake of example, recently, Commission member Miles Kara published an interview with Lt.Col. O'Brien, the pilot of the C-130 that looked for AA77 before it crashed. http://www.oredigger61.org/?p=6314 - does it look like that evidence was derived from torture to you?

 

[LSSBB]

Without delving into the first part, I think the second part of your claim (highlighted) is highly inaccurate. The commission report cites lots of sources, none of them includes torture. Can you cite just one passage where evidence was derived from torture?

ETA: Just for the sake of example, recently, Commission member Miles Kara published an interview with Lt.Col. O'Brien, the pilot of the C-130 that looked for AA77 before it crashed. http://www.oredigger61.org/?p=6314 - does it look like that evidence was derived from torture to you?

Maybe CE was referring to these (wiki lifted):

* Airport security footage of the hijackers as they passed through airport security.
* Excerpts from the United Airlines Flight 93 cockpit voice recording, which recorded the sounds of the hijackers in the cockpit and the passengers' attempts to regain control.
* Eyewitness testimony of passengers as they described their own final moments to family members and authorities on airphones and cellphones from the cabins of doomed airliners

Oh wait, none were fantasy or provided via torture. CE wouldn't lie, no, couldn't.