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Criminal Behavior Against US Police Officers

Bogative

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Let's start with the recent murder of a 29-year-old Chicago Police officer Ella French and the attempted murder of her partner, who is in critical condition at the hospital.

According to the Chicago PD, they were shot at as they approached a vehicle they had just pulled over for a traffic violation.

Two brothers, who are both convicted felons and illegal possessors of firearms, have been arrested.

A third man, Jamel Danzy has been arrested and charged for illegally purchasing a Glock handgun for one of the shooters.
 
That widespread and easy access to guns is not such a good idea?

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shemp said:
And this tragedy proves what, exactly?
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It proves there is no such thing as an "ordinary traffic stop" and that any interaction with the public can turn deadly in an instant. It may also explain why some cops seem to be on edge in what the armchair quarterbacks may deem as inappropriate behavior when they approach random citizens while on the job.



Here's another example.

Three officers are dispatched to a "suspicious person" who was reportedly armed. As the three officers approached, the suspect turned and fired several rounds at them, striking one of the officers.

The suspect was 20 year old Akeil Omar Franklin, who was wanted for probation violations.
 
I see a common theme is these cases

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Whenever I see these kinds of narratives, my mind immediately goes to the actual frequencies. Traffic stops/police interactions totals. Amount of times these escalate to situations like this.

Much like police shootings of suspects, it is such a small fraction that while terrible, does not represent the risk portrayed. I especially hate the mindset that is instilled in police because of these fringe incidents. The overall risk is minuscule, not matter how graphic the exceptions.
 
I agree with Bogative, it's simply too dangerous to be a cop. All these people should resign.
 
Bogative said:
It proves there is no such thing as an "ordinary traffic stop" and that any interaction with the public can turn deadly in an instant.
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Right. Walking in the woods can also turn deadly in an instant. There is no "ordinary walk in the woods".

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Are you seriously suggesting that cherry-picked outliers prove there is no norm? That's crazy, and certainly a far cry from any rational thinking.
 
Bogative said:
Let's start with the recent murder of a 29-year-old Chicago Police officer Ella French and the attempted murder of her partner, who is in critical condition at the hospital.

According to the Chicago PD, they were shot at as they approached a vehicle they had just pulled over for a traffic violation.

Two brothers, who are both convicted felons and illegal possessors of firearms, have been arrested.

A third man, Jamel Danzy has been arrested and charged for illegally purchasing a Glock handgun for one of the shooters.
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Well, at least you didn't perpetuate the lie that the woman had just come off of maternity leave and had a 2 month old baby at home.
 
Belz... said:
Right. Walking in the woods can also turn deadly in an instant. There is no "ordinary walk in the woods".
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And delivering pizzas can turn deadly at an instant far more often than a traffic stop so clearly they should always approach all deliveries with guns drawn.

And really we should add machinegun nests to convivence store check out counters as that is another job far more dangerous than being a cop. It is only sensible that you be under the barrel of a loaded gun when you are buying your beef sticks.
 
You have to conclude, based on the data, that pizza delivery guys and lumberjacks are unusually brave, or that cops are just a bunch of crybabies. There are many jobs more dangerous than policing, and none of these demand the same insane levels of hero worship or carte blanche to use violence whenever they feel afraid.
 
Two police officers came to our place today. They were looking for a lost child. We hadn't seen it, so they thanked us and went away. No guns drawn on either side, just a short chat.

So the score is now Cops Shot: 2, Cops not shot: 2. A draw.
 
Bogative said:
It proves there is no such thing as an "ordinary traffic stop" and that any interaction with the public can turn deadly in an instant.
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If that isn't a risk someone is prepared to accept they should pursue a different career.

It is not justification for government sponsored violence and oppression. Agents of the government putting their own interests ahead of their duty to serve the people is an anathema to freedom. You can live in a country where police and other agents of the government look after their own interests first and foremost or you can live in a free country but you can't do both.
 
I am surprised, considering how many guns are in civilians hands in the USA, that the police there do not get shot at and killed more often.
 
Bogative said:
It proves there is no such thing as an "ordinary traffic stop" and that any interaction with the public can turn deadly in an instant. It may also explain why some cops seem to be on edge in what the armchair quarterbacks may deem as inappropriate behavior when they approach random citizens while on the job.
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If they can't keep calm and collected while doing their job then they shouldn't work as police at all.
 
Here are a few more incidents from yesterday.


Baltimore Police respond to an assault call at 3 a.m., they are greeted at the residence with someone shooting at them.



Seguin, Texas deputies were involved in a high-speed pursuit with a kidnapping suspect. When the vehicle was finally stopped, the deputies were met with gunfire.

These officers displayed bravery at nearly the same level as pizza delivery drivers – or something.
 
Bogative said:
These officers displayed bravery at nearly the same level as pizza delivery drivers – or something.
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Don't be carelessly rude to pizza delivery drivers. They don't expect to get shot at when delivering pizzas and that isn't in their job description. In your statements about the shootings both sets of cops were in a situation where being shot at was likely.

Seriously though, can't we have just 1 "nut hugging cops" thread. I feel the same way about the while black threads. Do we really need to do this every few weeks?

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I know the plural of anecdote isn't data, but I'm starting to be convinced.

Maybe someone should suggest that our legal system take attacks on police officers seriously. They people should probably be prosecuted! It's pretty ridiculous that people who shoot at cops are often granted immunity for their actions.
 
Belz... said:
Are you seriously suggesting that cherry-picked outliers prove there is no norm? That's crazy, and certainly a far cry from any rational thinking.
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Since my first response was removed, I'll try again.


I'll quote myself and highlight the important parts you seemed to miss.

It proves there is no such thing as an "ordinary traffic stop" and that any interaction with the public can turn deadly in an instant. It may also explain why some cops seem to be on edge in what the armchair quarterbacks may deem as inappropriate behavior when they approach random citizens while on the job.
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When a police officer approaches a vehicle, they have to consider that anything can happen as evidenced by what happened to the Chicago PD officer. A common phrase used in law enforcement is "there is no such thing as a routine traffic stop." Meaning that things can go sideways in a hurry during any stop.

So yes, there are mainly "ordinary traffic stops" but police officers can't determine that beforehand and they should treat all stops as potentially life-threatening until they are over.
 
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