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Craig McKee steers AE911 towards the "No 757 crashed into Pentagon" corner

Childlike Empress said:
I have never had any personal contact to them and would of course not forward any private insights to you or your mom. Everything they established with their low-budget investigation has been said, as people can watch in the film I've posted in #7. Not their fault at all that these ground-shaking facts never made waves. The reasons for that are closely related to why you are arguing your head off against not exactly skeptical voices about Killary topics.
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Well. They did prove the plane hit the Pentagon!

They also hounded a poor old man to his grave and got busted lying about the owner shop owners statement. So.

Say hi for 16.5!
 
In my judgement, there are three theories in Trutherdom which, if a person believes one of them for more than 15 minutes of research or thinking, qualifies them as bat-crap crazy idiots totally beyond reach (or cynical liars):
  • "Directed Energy Weapons" crapola
  • "Nukes in the basements" holishmoliness
  • "No-plane" buffoonery
This short lists beats other silliness and idiocy such as "Jews, it's always da Jews" or "super-nano-themXte" because it jumps out so immediately that they are stupid nonsense, whereas the others take a bit more research to debunk if all you have to start with is Truther YouTubes.

Now, Craig McKee, CE, they are intelligent folks! it makes you wonder...
 
Oystein said:
For a long time, AE911Truth has "officially" been silent, or agnostic, about the Pentagon event. At some point, some years ago, Richard Gage apparently voiced criticism of no-planers, but was compelled to row back and adopt the "I don't look, I don't see, I don't want to know" position.
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I think you've got that reversed. Gage praised the CIT boys' north of the Citgo video and got a lot of criticism for it, so eventually he issued a denunciation of them and their work. However, at least at that point he was still a little wobbly:

Legge concludes that there is prima facie evidence that “the official explanation of the event at the Pentagon is false and that a cover-up exists. He concludes as well this negative hypothesis: that there is “no proof that a 757 did not hit the Pentagon.” And, since officials are holding the cards (videos) as to what did or didn’t hit the Pentagon, Dr. Legge’s recommendation is that investigators “take care to avoid publicly asserting that the 757 did not hit the Pentagon”.
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ETA: For what it's worth, I think Gage would be smarter to go back to the "big tent" approach. It's not as if associating with conmen and holocaust deniers and crazy people is going to discredit his standing in the movement; these days that's all there is to the movement.
 
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Oystein said:
In my judgement, there are three theories in Trutherdom which, if a person believes one of them for more than 15 minutes of research or thinking, qualifies them as bat-crap crazy idiots totally beyond reach (or cynical liars):
  • "Directed Energy Weapons" crapola
  • "Nukes in the basements" holishmoliness
  • "No-plane" buffoonery
This short lists beats other silliness and idiocy such as "Jews, it's always da Jews" or "super-nano-themXte" because it jumps out so immediately that they are stupid nonsense, whereas the others take a bit more research to debunk if all you have to start with is Truther YouTubes.

Now, Craig McKee, CE, they are intelligent folks! it makes you wonder...
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The answer to your wondering is somewhere in the attached diagram.
 

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Brainster said:
I think you've got that reversed. Gage praised the CIT boys' north of the Citgo video and got a lot of criticism for it, so eventually he issued a denunciation of them and their work. However, at least at that point he was still a little wobbly:



ETA: For what it's worth, I think Gage would be smarter to go back to the "big tent" approach. It's not as if associating with conmen and holocaust deniers and crazy people is going to discredit his standing in the movement; these days that's all there is to the movement.
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Thanks for the clarification.

Gage's tax declaration for 2016 is due (latest date every year is mid-November). Perhaps he is in financial decline? I propose he hangs his hat where his biggest donors provide hooks.
 
Childlike Empress said:
I'm sure the last time I was "trying argue that no 575 hit the pentagon" you had a different user name. Care to come clean?
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Just wanted to point out that American 77 was a B-757, not a 575.

In addition, American 77 was tracked by radar to the Pentagon where it crashed and flight data, B-757 wreckage inside and outside the Pentagon, path of destruction outside and inside the Pentagon proves the flight path of American 77 was south of the gas station. To continue, witnesses reported an airliner striking the Pentagon, not to mention that my Wing commander was inside the Pentagon when American 77 struck.

Call American Airlines and the Boeing Aircraft Company so they can confirm that American 77 crashed at the Pentagon and nowhere else. After all, conversion formulas for the FDR data of American 77 were provided that pertained ONLY to American 77 and no other aircraft.
 
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skyeagle409 said:
Just wanted to point out that American 77 was a B-757, not a 575.

In addition, American 77 was tracked by radar to the Pentagon where it crashed and flight data, B-757 wreckage inside and outside the Pentagon, path of destruction outside and inside the Pentagon proves the flight path of American 77 was south of the gas station. To continue, witnesses reported an airliner striking the Pentagon, not to mention that my Wing commander was inside the Pentagon when American 77 struck.

Call American Airlines and the Boeing Aircraft Company so they can confirm that American 77 crashed at the Pentagon and nowhere else. After all, conversion formulas for the FDR data of American 77 were provided that pertained ONLY to American 77 and no other aircraft.
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In addition there were bodies recovered, DNA linked to passengers on the flight.
 
skyeagle409 said:
Just wanted to point out that American 77 was a B-757, not a 575.

In addition, American 77 was tracked by radar to the Pentagon where it crashed and flight data, B-757 wreckage inside and outside the Pentagon, path of destruction outside and inside the Pentagon proves the flight path of American 77 was south of the gas station. To continue, witnesses reported an airliner striking the Pentagon, not to mention that my Wing commander was inside the Pentagon when American 77 struck.

Call American Airlines and the Boeing Aircraft Company so they can confirm that American 77 crashed at the Pentagon and nowhere else. After all, conversion formulas for the FDR data of American 77 were provided that pertained ONLY to American 77 and no other aircraft.
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The black box was even deciphered by a truther, who also validated the flight path.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66047
ETA: relevant thread link
 
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Oystein said:
Thanks for the clarification.

Gage's tax declaration for 2016 is due (latest date every year is mid-November). Perhaps he is in financial decline? I propose he hangs his hat where his biggest donors provide hooks.
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Didn't he latch on to a sugar mama who had a mansion on a lake in Idaho?
 
Childlike Empress said:
For newbies who don't know why Oystein collects black lists of crime thinkers and what all of this is about, watch the argument here before you spend any time with the Xth-degree of meta "discussion" about it:

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CIT has no argument, they made up lies dumber than dirt, based on their collective ignorance.

The liars of CIT, the dumbest investigators in history. It would be hard to find people dumber than CIT on 9/11 issues.

The FDR, RADAR, witnesses, DNA all prove it was Flight 77. CIT are liars, or superior idiots. You can pick. Paik is pointing to the south course as found in the FDR, and RADAR. Watergate was solved in what, less than a year. 9/11 truth lies were exposed on 9/11. A movement stillborn on 9/11.

CIT never had any facts, evidence, or knowledge useful to figure out 9/11. They spread lies, possibly unknowingly due to massive, overwhelming and pervasive ignorance on all topics need to make a rational conclusion on 9/11.
 
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I remember Gage's debate with Chris Mohr he got Gage to comment on the Pentagon event, Gage ended up commenting along the lines of 'no plane hit the Pentagon'.
 
Oystein said:
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And this now has encouraged McKee to create a new Facebook Group called "No 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11".
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It as 105 members after less than 24 hours - and who did McKee make an Admin: Kelly David, the Chief Operating Officer of AE911Truth! She has been a Board member since spring 2015.
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I either missed it earlier, or they added a Group Description. An excerpt:
As creators of this group, we are on the record as stating that a large airliner approached the building but did not hit, while explosives were used to create internal damage. But we understand that some in the group believe other things. Some think a missile hit, some believe a drone or military plane was involved, and others believe other permutations. We don’t want to stop you from believing what you wish, but the focus is on the impossibility of a large plane impact. When we go into the other things, we split into different camps and become weaker.

To sum up, this group is about common ground and showing the official claims to be false. –Craig McKee & Kelly David
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This is relevant because Kelly David, as Board member of AE911Truth, surely represents AE911Truth, especially seeing that this group was borne out of an AE911truth acttivity.

AE911truth supports the moronic "Fly-over" theory!

I think their 2900+ A&E signatories ought to get notified of this and given a chance to distance themselves and revoke their signature!
 
Oystein said:
...I have yet to listen to the debate - and probably won't -, and it will be interesting how Gage's Propaganda Minister, Andy Steele, moderated, and whether he took a stand.
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And this now has encouraged McKee to create a new Facebook Group called "No 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11".
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It as 105 members after less than 24 hours ...
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About 24 hours later than that, the group had 168 members, and right now stands at 188.

Among those who were added yesterday or today, I recognize two AE911T actividsts:
  • Andy Steele - the host of the debate I talked of in the OP - so now we know where he stands!
  • Greg Hill - his profile photo show him arm-in-arm with Gage, and sports the AE van that he toured with to promote woo.
Oh by the way, some user accused me of putting together "black lists". Hahaha! Shilliness! The one who puts together this particular black list is of course not me but Craig McKee! I am merely reporting on his black list.
 
Childlike Empress said:
I have never had any personal contact to them and would of course not forward any private insights to you or your mom. Everything they established with their low-budget investigation has been said, as people can watch in the film I've posted in #7. Not their fault at all that these ground-shaking facts never made waves. The reasons for that are closely related to why you are arguing your head off against not exactly skeptical voices about Killary topics.
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Not really ground-shaking facts if they didn't make waves.
 
Childlike Empress said:
... these ground-shaking facts never made waves. The reasons for that are closely related to why you are arguing your head off against not exactly skeptical voices about Killary topics.
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You know what?
I could believe that Mrs. Clinton is a terrible person and full of evil scandals. I could even find what you say about her, and the sources you link to, at least initially credible and worth my time looking into, if it weren't for two facts about you:

a. You juvenily refer to her as "Killary"
b. You claim you believe in the darndest, most idiotic crap ever - the CIT story

It's almost as if you were here to assign criticism of Clinton to the loony corner.
 
Childlike Empress said:
For newbies who don't know why Oystein collects black lists of crime thinkers and what all of this is about, watch the argument here before you spend any time with the Xth-degree of meta "discussion" about it:
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