countries that execute juvenile offenders

[varwoche]

List of countries that execute people who commited crimes as juveniles (under 18):

China
Democratic Republic of Congo
Iran
Nigeria
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
United States
Yemen

 

[Darat]

And your point being?

 

[roger]

okay.

Anyone have a list of countries that export grain?

 

[Hutch]

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And your point being?

Obviously, he wants us to see how much in common we share with Fundie Muslim and Communist countries.

Seriously, varwoche, if you expect some discussion to take place, you need to link or quote sources and add some points for our discussion/abuse, or nothing substantial will be discussed, or the thread will go all over the place.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

List of countries that execute people who commited crimes as juveniles (under 18):

China
Democratic Republic of Congo
Iran
Nigeria
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
United States
Yemen

And we have to keep pointing out that that the U.S. does not execute people who are under 18.. Do any of the other countries you list? Or are you lying about them also?

 

[Upchurch]

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And we have to keep pointing out that that the U.S. does not execute people who are under 18.. Do any of the other countries you list? Or are you lying about them also?

Actually, he didn't say the US executes people under 18. He said that the US executes people for crimes committed when they were under 18. Strictly speaking.

 

[varwoche]

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Seriously, varwoche, if you expect some discussion to take place, you need to link or quote sources and add some points for our discussion/abuse, or nothing substantial will be discussed, or the thread will go all over the place.

Hutch & Darat,
I understand -- fwiw I'm not generally prone to posting raw data that is not commented upon; exception made due to starkness.

Apologies for not sourcing. Here you go:

deathpenaltyinfo.org

(This site is linked to from a number of universities.)

 

[varwoche]

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And we have to keep pointing out that that the U.S. does not execute people who are under 18.. Do any of the other countries you list? Or are you lying about them also?

My statement does not say what you indicate. If/when you assert that someone a liar, it's good idea to take an extra second or 2 to be sure the assertion is correct.

To clarify: Juveniles have been sentenced to the death in the US, but were adults when the execution was performed.

varwoche

 

[ssibal]

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To clarify: Juveniles have been sentenced to the death in the US, but were adults when the execution was performed.

So what?

 

[The Don]

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So what?

So isn't it sad that there are societies who think that there are individuals who have commited a crime when they are under the age of 18 are so completely un-rehabilitatable that they need to be killed ?

Isn't it strange that the kinds of people who are given this kind of sentance tend not to be those who have gone on protracted killing sprees but those who had the misfortune to commit murder in the wrong place at the wrong time and then fail to get adequate legal representation (I would argue that having good representation would have resulted in life imprisonment).

I also think it sad that there are countries whose thirst for retribution (for that is what the death penalty represents, it certainly isn't a deterrent) is so strong that they are willing to kill prisoners who were children when they commited the crime.

 

[richardm]

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And we have to keep pointing out that that the U.S. does not execute people who are under 18..

If they did, would you consider that to be a bad thing?

 

[Tmy]

"Execute" is such a nasty term. How about we call it "late late late late late late term abortion".

 

[richardm]

"Execute" is such a nasty term. How about we call it "late late late late late late term abortion".

Can't do that, you'll have the Religious Right on your back.

 

[Luke T.]

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Isn't it strange that the kinds of people who are given this kind of sentance tend not to be those who have gone on protracted killing sprees but those who had the misfortune to commit murder in the wrong place at the wrong time and then fail to get adequate legal representation (I would argue that having good representation would have resulted in life imprisonment).

"The misfortune to commit murder?" Like it was an accident or bad luck they killed someone? Oops, my hand fell on a gun?

"In the wrong place at the wrong time?" Yes, they should kill people somewhere else, some other time. That would be better.

 

[Luke T.]

Oh, you poor dumb unlucky kid. You blew the brains out of a couple people. I am so sorry you are so unlucky.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

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If they did, would you consider that to be a bad thing?

I consider executing anyone a bad thing...

 

[Tony]

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So isn't it sad that there are societies who think that there are individuals who have commited a crime when they are under the age of 18 are so completely un-rehabilitatable that they need to be killed ?

Why should a cold blooded muderer get a second chance at life?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Re: Re: Re: countries that execute juvenile offenders

My statement does not say what you indicate. If/when you assert that someone a liar, it's good idea to take an extra second or 2 to be sure the assertion is correct.

To clarify: Juveniles have been sentenced to the death in the US, but were adults when the execution was performed.

varwoche

Wow.. I really read that wrong.. I apologize...

 

[Luke T.]

The youngest person I could find who was executed for crimes he committed as a minor is Sean R. Sellers.

Sean Sellers - Executed February 4, 1999
Sean Sellers, 29, was executed shortly after midnight on February 4. Sellers was sentenced to death for the March 5, 1986, murder of his mother and step-father, Vonda and Paul Bellafatto, as well as the September 8, 1985, shooting death of Robert Paul Bower.

Sellers was 16 at the time of the crimes. His execution marks the first time in 40 years that the United States has executed someone for crimes committed below the age of 17.

The article is very sympathetic to Sellers if you want to read it all.

I noticed something of interest that came up during other death penalty debates on here:

Dianna Craun, one of the jurors who sentenced Sellers to death, spoke on his behalf at the clemency hearing. She said that the jury was given two choices of sentencing: a life sentence (with the possibility of parole) or the death penalty. (Oklahoma now has a third alternative - life without parole.) Craun and the other jurors thought that a life sentence would mean that Sean would serve 7-15 years in prison, and that this sentence was too lenient for the murders. She stated that since Oklahoma had not executed anyone for 20 years at the time of the trial, the jurors did not honestly expect that Sean would ever be executed. They thought that the only way to ensure a long prison sentence for him was the choose the death penalty. If clemency had been granted, Sellers' sentence would have been converted to life without the possibility of parole.

 

[varwoche]

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Why should a cold blooded muderer get a second chance at life?

How about the fact that 1 out of N are not guilty?

vawoche