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Counterfeit detector pens

Yes, when I copied those bills, it was a felony. Interestingly, when we got a later model color copier, it refused to copy currency. The display showed a little currency symbol with a circle around it and a slash through it.
 
CurtC said:
Yes, when I copied those bills, it was a felony. Interestingly, when we got a later model color copier, it refused to copy currency. The display showed a little currency symbol with a circle around it and a slash through it.
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Well, that's interesting. Obviously a government conspiracy to prevent me from, uh...





...expressing myself creatively by trading my photoshop artwork for goods and services.
 
CurtC said:
Yes, when I copied those bills, it was a felony. Interestingly, when we got a later model color copier, it refused to copy currency. The display showed a little currency symbol with a circle around it and a slash through it.
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Yeah, that's being built into a lot of stuff... I believe the law only applies if you're trying to make high quality copies... really low res or B&W is OK (I think).

Here's some more info:
http://www.moneyfactory.gov/document.cfm/18/117

I couldn't find a link, but I recall that the gov used to also provide good looking (but not good enough for conterfeiting) images in a digital format, so you wouldn't need to scan 'em.
 
BronzeDog said:
I'd probably go along the lines of "You realize that pen's a scam, right?" If the clerk didn't know, I'd ask to talk to the manager.
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I think we've got this all wrong.

Forget the starch. Forget trying to reason with someone who doesn't have enough motivation or intelligence not to be a cashier in a convenience store. No, what you should do when they grab the pen and put a mark on it is inform them that they've just committed a federal crime.

Section 333. Mutilation of national bank obligations

Whoever mutilates, cuts, defaces, disfigures, or perforates, or
unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank
bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national
banking association, or Federal Reserve bank, or the Federal
Reserve System, with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note,
or other evidence of debt unfit to be reissued, shall be fined
under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
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http ://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/18/parts/i/chapters/17/sections/section_333.html

This is clearly an example of defacing federal property and, in my opinion, makes them unfit to be re-issued. When the rocket scientist behind the counter puts a mark on the bill, you should call the Secret Service and request prosecution to the fullest extent of the law.

-Dr. Imago
 
Dr. Imago said:
I think we've got this all wrong.
Forget the starch. Forget trying to reason with someone who doesn't have enough motivation or intelligence not to be a cashier in a convenience store. No, what you should do when they grab the pen and put a mark on it is inform them that they've just committed a federal crime.


http ://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/18/parts/i/chapters/17/sections/section_333.html

This is clearly an example of defacing federal property and, in my opinion, makes them unfit to be re-issued. When the rocket scientist behind the counter puts a mark on the bill, you should call the Secret Service and request prosecution to the fullest extent of the law.

-Dr. Imago
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1) I have both intelligence and motivation. I've also been a clerk. Shockingly, I wasn't able to get that job at CERN when I was 19... get over thyself.
2) A small mark on the bill doesn't render it unusable. If a tiny corner is torn off, is the bill unusable? Nope.
 
El_Spectre said:
1) I have both intelligence and motivation. I've also been a clerk. Shockingly, I wasn't able to get that job at CERN when I was 19... get over thyself.
2) A small mark on the bill doesn't render it unusable. If a tiny corner is torn off, is the bill unusable? Nope.
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Humor. Look it up.

-Dr. Imago
 
Dr. Imago said:
This is clearly an example of defacing federal property and, in my opinion, makes them unfit to be re-issued. When the rocket scientist behind the counter puts a mark on the bill, you should call the Secret Service and request prosecution to the fullest extent of the law.

-Dr. Imago
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You do realize that the mark fades away in a matter of hours, don't you?
 
El_Spectre said:
A small mark on the bill doesn't render it unusable. If a tiny corner is torn off, is the bill unusable? Nope.
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I believe that if at least 60% of the bill is present with only one serial number showing (regardless of denomination) it still has full face value. And if 50% is present with only one serial number showing, it has 50% of it's face value. But, (and of this I'm not so sure) if both copies of the serial number are present and match, you get full face value regardless of percentage present.

The above applies at banks, which means they probably check with the Feds first -- most places won't accept bills with even 10% missing.

Oh, and less than 50% without both matching serial numbers -- nada, zilch, squat.
 
Just thinking said:
I believe that if at least 60% of the bill is present with only one serial number showing (regardless of denomination) it still has full face value. And if 50% is present with only one serial number showing, it has 50% of it's face value. But, (and of this I'm not so sure) if both copies of the serial number are present and match, you get full face value regardless of percentage present.

The above applies at banks, which means they probably check with the Feds first -- most places won't accept bills with even 10% missing.

Oh, and less than 50% without both matching serial numbers -- nada, zilch, squat.
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More info here: http://www.moneyfactory.gov/section.cfm/8/39
 
... or maybe you just completely missed the smiley face (that is still now and always was) there at the top of my post the first time you read it. :confused:
 
USA money is printed on white rag with red and blue threads running through it. Higher denominations all have watermarks, laser reflection parts, microprinting that you can resolve with a strong magnifying glass (but which most copying processes cannot fake), and ultraviolet-glowing stripes. Any given bill might or might not have been exposed to starch. Starch-free stock includes newsprint, some recycled paprs, etc. Okay, you all knew this already, presumably...
 
Neutiquam Erro said:
The Bureau of Engraving and Printing refers to it as "paper," but describes its wood-product-free composition thusly:
Currency paper is composed of 25% linen and 75% cotton. Red and blue synthetic fibers of various lengths are distributed evenly throughout the paper. Prior to World War I the fibers were made of silk.
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That's still paper, just a better quality of paper than that made from wood pulp. Historical note: wood-based paper didn't really start to be made until the nineteenth century; before that most paper was made from rags. For this reason nineteenth century books often present conservation problems that earlier books don't, because wood pulp paper is acidic, so that it tends to disintegrate.
 
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