Countdown to Comey's Firing....

bruto said:
I am not very trusting of anyone here but still consider the conspiracy theory that many of the most conservative Republicans hate Trump as they no doubt should, but realize that at least for now he's opened the door to their agenda, and they will use him as long as he's useful. Ryan has seemingly flopped between hating Trump and declaring his poop to smell of roses. When he stops being useful or starts making them look as bad as they really are, they'll pull out the dirt (and it's easy to imagine there's plenty of dirt to pull out) and dump him, ending up with teabagger Pence, a conservative sweep of legislation, a loaded Supreme Court, a gutted civil service, and a nice hypocritical bit of credit for cleaning house all at once.
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Yup, when their useful idiot is no longer useful they can leak to the press and then claim the press hounded him from office, just as they did when Tricky Dick resigned.
 
dudalb said:
A friend of mine who is pretty conservative is disgusted with Trump because he consider the guy to be totally inept as president; someone who will hurt the conservative movement in the long run. Something some of the Trump defenders here should consider.
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I've gotten the impression that a fair number of the "conservatives" on this board are far less conservative than they are just anti-liberal/progressive.
 
bruto said:
I am not very trusting of anyone here but still consider the conspiracy theory that many of the most conservative Republicans hate Trump as they no doubt should, but realize that at least for now he's opened the door to their agenda, and they will use him as long as he's useful. Ryan has seemingly flopped between hating Trump and declaring his poop to smell of roses. When he stops being useful or starts making them look as bad as they really are, they'll pull out the dirt (and it's easy to imagine there's plenty of dirt to pull out) and dump him, ending up with teabagger Pence, a conservative sweep of legislation, a loaded Supreme Court, a gutted civil service, and a nice hypocritical bit of credit for cleaning house all at once.
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I mostly agree but with the caveat that they are actually hoping for this to happen sooner than later. The door will be as open to their domestic agenda under Pence as it is under Trump, probably more so, and they will be done with the alliance-harming, Russia-touting antics that I suspect most Republicans consider embarrassing, distracting, dangerous, and undesirable.
 
applecorped said:
So much pearl clutching
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One of the major benefits of the Trump Presidency is how sanguine it seems to have made people in general and GOP supporters in particular to the kinds of allegations regarding links to foreign powers that were such a worry to them only a few short years ago. :rolleyes:
 
bruto said:
I am not very trusting of anyone here but still consider the conspiracy theory that many of the most conservative Republicans hate Trump as they no doubt should, but realize that at least for now he's opened the door to their agenda, and they will use him as long as he's useful. Ryan has seemingly flopped between hating Trump and declaring his poop to smell of roses. When he stops being useful or starts making them look as bad as they really are, they'll pull out the dirt (and it's easy to imagine there's plenty of dirt to pull out) and dump him, ending up with teabagger Pence, a conservative sweep of legislation, a loaded Supreme Court, a gutted civil service, and a nice hypocritical bit of credit for cleaning house all at once.
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If we spin the conspiracy theory further, there could be the possibility that high ranking GOPs are in the pockets of Russia, too.

Aside from that, I think that even without that, the GOP's plan is exactly as you describe: Keep Trump as distraction and milk the situation for all that's worth for as long as possible. The problem is that this is rather self-destructing the longer it goes on. TrumpCare doesn't seem to go well with lots of voters, for instance, and the question is how long can this whole strategy go on and still be able to recover enough voters for the 2018 midterms.
 
Argumemnon said:
Not to start an argument, but would you accept this sort of logic from a truther?
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It would be a big improvement to the truthers I've seen. The fact that he deliberately prefaces the assertion with how unfounded it is is loads better than the usual "we all know it but THE MAN has hid the evidence!"
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
I've gotten the impression that a fair number of the "conservatives" on this board are far less conservative than they are just anti-liberal/progressive.
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This, they seem more interested in just "Sticking It" to the "Progs" then in any serious discussion about the size and purpose of Government, etc.
 
dudalb said:
This, they seem more interested in just "Sticking It" to the "Progs" then in any serious discussion about the size and purpose of Government, etc.
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If they use it for that, then it is their argument on the legitimate purpose of gov.
 
dudalb said:
This, they seem more interested in just "Sticking It" to the "Progs" then in any serious discussion about the size and purpose of Government, etc.
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There's a class of internet conservative whose political philosophy begins and ends with "liberals suck." Who "liberals" are tends to vary based on whoever the IC is arguing with, and the reasons why they suck are woefully inconsistent and poorly thought out, but the ICs are nonetheless resolute in this central belief.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
Not a fair reading of the comment to which it responds, in my view.
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How not? It defines a group strictly based on what they DON'T stand for, which in my opinion, places people in my group who do not share my values- or conversely, places me in a group that I vehemently oppose.
 
rwguinn said:
How not? It defines a group strictly based on what they DON'T stand for, which in my opinion, places people in my group who do not share my values- or conversely, places me in a group that I vehemently oppose.
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Perhaps you are right.

The definition is one that describes heart-felt antagonism, which to me is an excellent way to explain the 180º morphing policies yet needle-pinned-South constant hatred coming from the GOP since shortly after the Civil Rights Act. Took a while to get over Nixon's win at any cost and ends-justify-the-means, but by golly, here we are, back at naked power flowing to defined interests, and the rest is pure vitriol. No lie is too vile if it harms the hated opposition, no ally too low; all is justifiable in pursuit of the reins of power and the purge of the other.

So, yeah, principles are fig leaves if we are referring to the GOP.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
Perhaps you are right.

The definition is one that describes heart-felt antagonism, which to me is an excellent way to explain the 180º morphing policies yet needle-pinned-South constant hatred coming from the GOP since shortly after the Civil Rights Act. Took a while to get over Nixon's win at any cost and ends-justify-the-means, but by golly, here we are, back at naked power flowing to defined interests, and the rest is pure vitriol. No lie is too vile if it harms the hated opposition, no ally too low; all is justifiable in pursuit of the reins of power and the purge of the other.

So, yeah, principles are fig leaves if we are referring to the GOP.
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The original quote targeted conservatives, not the GOP.
I think a number of conservatives are realizing just how much (and how many) of their principles they ended up compromising by staying the Party Line.
 
rwguinn said:
Therein lies your problem. Apparently one cannot have principles, but is defined by what he is against.
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Is it really my problem, though? You can hold a different opinion, but that in itself is not evidence that my opinion is the "problem".

rwguinn said:
The original quote targeted conservatives, not the GOP.
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More specifically, conservatives on this board.
 
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