Could you "inoculate" yourself against the flu?

[Barbrae]

Yes, that's all fine and dandy, but as Zombified asked, "What is this, precicely?" Please note, I am not asking for a sales speech. I am asking for an ingredients list, and recipie if possible.

Depends on the influenzinum you get. I believe from Dolisos it is the top three strains of influenza expected for that particular season prepared homeopathy.

 

[Barbrae]

That's it? That's all? No answer for Zep, Zombified, or myself?

I can't say I'm surprised.

Badger, can't say I am surprised either by your snotty remark. Please read the posts again. Zombified asked if it was the actual influenza virus as that would surprise him because that would be isopathy, not homeopathy. I said, ideed, you are correct - it is isopathy - I figured you could understand that would mean it is made up of the influenza virus.

The dilution depends on what potency you would get it in, of course. Many recommend it a 9c.

 

[Rolfe]

Depends on the influenzinum you get. I believe from Dolisos it is the top three strains of influenza expected for that particular season prepared homeopathy.

Can I ask you to clarify whether it is the wild-strain virulent influenza virus prepared homoeopathically, or the modified vaccine virus prepared homoeopathically?

I think it's the latter, but I'm willing to be corrected. Preferably with links to evidence.

Rolfe.

 

[Rolfe]

Bump for Barb.

Rolfe.

 

[Barbrae]

it's the former actually. It is made from the virus. It is a nosode made from the disease.

 

[Suezoled]

it's the former actually. It is made from the virus. It is a nosode made from the disease.

Well it would be then made from the secretions of someone who has the virus. Though how you can diagnose it when you have absolutely no criteria in terms of training to do so mystifies me.

So, I guess you get it from a snot-rag that someone blew his nose in (actual contagious time period is only a couple days). Even if you do collect the virus that way, how does one keep it from dying within the next few minutes?

Speaking of snots: why are you shying away from answering the questions of Zombified, Zep, or Benguin? No mattter how hurt your feelings are, if you are right, you are right.

Oh, and the usual: double blind controlled studies that have been peer-reviewed from the medical or scientific establishment, please.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

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it's the former actually. It is made from the virus. It is a nosode made from the disease.
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So?? There is nothing left in your magic water for the body to react to. At least vaccines are chock full of what the body needs to build immunity.

The body does not react this way to water. We drink it all day long, and will still get the flu.

 

[Barbrae]

So?? There is nothing left in your magic water for the body to react to. At least vaccines are chock full of what the body needs to build immunity.

The body does not react this way to water. We drink it all day long, and will still get the flu.

What do you mean "SO?" I was answering a question by Rolfe as to what the strain was.

 

[Barbrae]

Speaking of snots: why are you shying away from answering the questions of Zombified, Zep, or Benguin? No mattter how hurt your feelings are, if you are right, you are right.

Oh, and the usual: double blind controlled studies that have been peer-reviewed from the medical or scientific establishment, please.

What question am I shying away from? They asked what influenzinum was made from and I answered.

Uh, gee, perhaps you missed the oh, million times I said I do not have the DBPCstudies - huh? Oh and guess what, since I am not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything - I need not provide such studies.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

What do you mean "SO?" I was answering a question by Rolfe as to what the strain was.

It makes no difference if it was a virus or a rock. The water will still not protect you from the flu.

 

[geni]

Uh, gee, perhaps you missed the oh, million times I said I do not have the DBPCstudies - huh? Oh and guess what, since I am not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything - I need not provide such studies.

In fact you do. At least under most normal ethical systems. You do know that prescribing placebos is considered unethical outside some very narrow area (mostly to do with research).

 

[Barbrae]

In fact you do. At least under most normal ethical systems. You do know that prescribing placebos is considered unethical outside some very narrow area (mostly to do with research).

geni
if youwant to talk about it with regards to my practicing taht is a seperate issue (one that has already been discussed). However, as far as discussion one this board goes - no I don't, because I am not debating it's efficacy nor trying to convince anyone of it's efficacy so I need not prove it's efficacy (to you folsk).

 

[geni]

geni
if youwant to talk about it with regards to my practicing taht is a seperate issue (one that has already been discussed). However, as far as discussion one this board goes - no I don't, because I am not debating it's efficacy nor trying to convince anyone of it's efficacy so I need not prove it's efficacy (to you folsk).

I reserve to right to ask for evidence of any statment just as I would of any poster on this board. I also reserve the right to view your pratices as unethical. Finialy I reseve the right to try and make you see that this is the case.

 

[Barbrae]

I reserve to right to ask for evidence of any statment just as I would of any poster on this board. I also reserve the right to view your pratices as unethical. Finialy I reseve the right to try and make you see that this is the case.

of course youhave the right to ask for evidence but when the person you ask has said repeatedly that it is not available it seems silly to continue to do so. Unless, you are simply asking to point out to the askee that there is no evidence trying to make a point but that seems silly too since the askee already is aware of the lack of evidence.

But the issue I have is when someone asks a question unrelated to evidence and I go to the trouble of answering and it turns back to "prove it". Like how to define homeopathy. See I thought that quesiton was asked to see if a definite definition exists - one that homeopaths agree on - but there really is no comment on the definition - other than - "prove it". It gets tiring to answer questions unrealted to the evidence only to be brought back to it.

as far as your ethical comment goes - what defines this for you? Or what would define an ethical treatment.

 

[geni]

of course youhave the right to ask for evidence but when the person you ask has said repeatedly that it is not available it seems silly to continue to do so. Unless, you are simply asking to point out to the askee that there is no evidence trying to make a point but that seems silly too since the askee already is aware of the lack of evidence.

You are free to call it silly.

But the issue I have is when someone asks a question unrelated to evidence and I go to the trouble of answering and it turns back to "prove it". Like how to define homeopathy. See I thought that quesiton was asked to see if a definite definition exists - one that homeopaths agree on - but there really is no comment on the definition - other than - "prove it". It gets tiring to answer questions unrealted to the evidence only to be brought back to it.

Well this is a sceptics board. If you want to state things with no evidence then there is going to be a problem.

as far as your ethical comment goes - what defines this for you? Or what would define an ethical treatment. [/B]

An ethic treatment for a consenting addult is one they agree to after being given truthful and complete information. For children and the mentaly ill the situation is more complex but basical boils down to treament that can be thoughrly shown to be benificial.

 

[Suezoled]

To remind you Barbrae: can you vaccinate yourself against the flu? You said you could homeopathically. Please do so.

Because quite frankly, your feelings are irrelevent to your assertions and the evidence required to back up those assertions.

 

[Rolfe]

it's the former actually. It is made from the virus. It is a nosode made from the disease.

OK, though I still have to say I wonder if you are right about that.

Where do they get these vaccine strains from? I just have a problem with the practicalities of this. It's easy enough to purchase a dose of vaccine, and potentise that out of existence, but actually getting hold of the wild-type vaccine strains, you know, I have a real problem figuring how they do that.

Are you quite sure they're not potentising a dose of vaccine? Not what you "believe" - hard information?

I've just searched this thread for details of the potency of the final preparation, but I can't find it. Barb, do you know what potency we're talking about? Would anyone here be prepared to take, say, a 6C preparation of wild-type flu virus?

Rolfe.

 

[Zombified]

I think Barb said the "potency" varied, but 9C was a typical recommendation. Second post on this page.

I've been wondering what's being diluted - I know it has some form of virus in it, but is it 100% virus, is it a solution, a culture, what?

(And for the biology people, can you/how do you culture a virus, anyway?)

 

[Barbrae]

OK, though I still have to say I wonder if you are right about that.

Where do they get these vaccine strains from? I just have a problem with the practicalities of this. It's easy enough to purchase a dose of vaccine, and potentise that out of existence, but actually getting hold of the wild-type vaccine strains, you know, I have a real problem figuring how they do that.

Are you quite sure they're not potentising a dose of vaccine? Not what you "believe" - hard information?

I've just searched this thread for details of the potency of the final preparation, but I can't find it. Barb, do you know what potency we're talking about? Would anyone here be prepared to take, say, a 6C preparation of wild-type flu virus?

Rolfe.

The information was from Freeman's pharmacy, not just my "belief". the typcial dose for prevention is a 9c.

 

[geni]

(And for the biology people, can you/how do you culture a virus, anyway?)

From some kind of live cell medium. The exact medium depends on the virus.