could the universe began with complete zero!

I might be mistaken but particles popping in and out of existance on the subatomic level has to do with zero point energy, whose value is not zero. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The energy can come from anywhere, but it does have to exist.:confused:

Under the normal, everyday physical conditions that we humans experience and observe, you're absolutely right. But you're not considering that these conditions fail to hold at the singularity before 1 Planck time. All the laws of physics that we know of fall apart there, by definition. This includes the first law of thermodynamics. So as far as I know, there's currently no reason to assume a priori that the universe couldn't spontaneously spring into existence ex-nihilo.

Not to imply that some big bearded dude in robes did it, though.
 
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sorry-that it was take time to me been with you

sorry-that it was take time to me been with you.
the registering process was take time-and it was deflecting my mind from this note-till i was getting message-that has remembering my that this note has answer-i was seeing few reply-that i like to check-and i will learn the note-i will come back soom-i hope today after i will exam your link and note-i was be surprising that large response to this note-yes i am visiting a lot of forum-but here i find nice place that note back.-i will keep visit here.

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The answer to the OP is probably 'no'. The start of the universe would have happened only when an event occurred - which, by definition, is a non-zero state, even if that non-zero status is incredibly short.

Prior to this event, even the abstract concept of zero would be meaningless. Probably closer to say... nothing existed prior to the event.
 
The hair thingy reminds me of the guy in Amsterdam who hands out pamphlets saying that each molecule is in fact a whole universe in itself...

Is that what you mean? Each molecule being a universe?
 
realpaladin

realpaladin - you can to conclude from one think to other-->but this is not precisely the same thing this case.

cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
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for just thinking

for just thinking-first thank you for the link-second
THE PRINCIPLE OF MEDIOCRITY [9.15.06]
By Alexander Vilenkin
was coming to the world only 4 days after i was enter my site open to the world on the 10/11-September-2006-till there i have some enter from the world to my site-i cant tall if he had enter to my site-but there are some imagination between our theory-at list the open point-->but not in all-thank you for this links--i didnt know a bout this theory-and i am assuming the he either.
i will go deeper to know what he has said.
keep linking my this kind of link if you can-that help.

thank you from
cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
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to wolverine

to wolverine-what you was saying is justified-the reason that i didnt reback-was that i thought no one was care-i was wrong!i have here beautiful note-i am useally reback for the note-every day i do so for few ours-but i was bad estimate-sorry.

cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
icarus5-com
 
for cuddles

for cuddles-thank you-i was looking at google about this subject-i didnt use be this subject-sorry

cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
icarus5-com
 
to splossy

to splossy-the moustache matter-come from anther note.
but your note is delicate with large justified criticism-and i am except here.

cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
icarus5-com
 
shemp

shemp- this is cynical-but i like this note-i assume that you could keep shave your moustache.


cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
icarus5-com
 
for strathueyer

strathueyer wrote :" Finally, a religion for those of use with copious body hair"

well maybe we should do one!!
just kidding



cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
icarus5-com
 
to dumbledore

to dumbledore
i am not interrupting the first low of thermodynamics-see page 1+2


cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
icarus5-com
 
kahalachan

kahalachan- i hate the word singularity-this is mean that they can not explain-what is going on-and why-that what happen when you have no start point.and not complete plane.

thank you for the note

cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
icarus5-com
 
ok- i was backing-

ok- i was backing-with hope that i didnt lost you-but keep note my-that help.
thank you from the one that care what is your opinion-or the big spamer.but dont bond my.

cohen avshalom charly
isreal-haifa
icarus5-com
 
Dude! Stop using babelfish for translation and start learning English! Please!

I am not trying to be mean or nasty, but my brain aches trying to decipher what you are saying. And I earnestly want to understand!
 
for real paladnin

for real paladnin-what could i say -i have a problem with the germany -but after you sent my to the babelfish-->i can say now:


"Konnte das Universum mit komplettem null keinem mass/energy anfangen?
Meine allgemeine Idee ist die Position für Kreation mass/energy, ist der Rand des Universums, auf der Jacke des Universums, mehr, die, ich daß wenn Hubble behaupte (das astronomer)didn't Nehmen die Ansicht, die das Universum ohne mass/energy anfing, der Grund ist es, weil er nicht Wahl nahm, daß mass/energy verursacht werden könnte. Wenn er diese Wahl nahm, würde er zu einem ersten Punkt ohne irgendeine gerechte Leere der Energie oder der Masse gekommen sein.

Es gibt nur zwei realistische Möglichkeiten, entweder das Universum hat alle Weisen bestand mit Material und Energie ohne eine Mitte oder Rand oder dort ist ein Absolutanfang (Material, Energie, Zeit und Volumen). Wir müssen an den anfangenpunkt tatsächlich gelangen, bevor wir alle mögliche anderen Möglichkeiten weiter setzen können. Der Theorie, die bis jetzt dargestellt wird, gehen umher, diese Frage aber beantworten nicht die Frage.

Ich habe nicht Formeln oder Theorien verwendet, die schwierig sind. Jeder kann, Icarus5 in der einfachen Logik verstehen also hat nicht Angst, an zu lesen"


about the that area-->can change state-->till now we are knowing well that mater can change state by -temperature-->and cleam more-->why not area will change state-->to understand area-think of area-point in space-without anythink at all-it can shrink or expand -->this only same of the sign for the change of state in low level-->think as water before they are boiling-the still
liquid-->but they start the process of coming to gas-when they are coming near the right temperature-->yes-i am tring to use more english-because i was long time didnt speaking english-->till before 9 month.
i hop i will be better-soon.

cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
icarus5-com
 
for sezme

for sezme-wrote:"I'd be worried if I were you, DR. Skeptic Guy thinks you have a celestial body"
what can i say for you?????
 
for real paladnin-what could i say -i have a problem with the germany -but after you sent my to the babelfish-->i can say now:


"Konnte das Universum mit komplettem null keinem mass/energy anfangen?
Meine allgemeine Idee ist die Position für Kreation mass/energy, ist der Rand des Universums, auf der Jacke des Universums, mehr, die, ich daß wenn Hubble behaupte (das astronomer)didn't Nehmen die Ansicht, die das Universum ohne mass/energy anfing, der Grund ist es, weil er nicht Wahl nahm, daß mass/energy verursacht werden könnte. Wenn er diese Wahl nahm, würde er zu einem ersten Punkt ohne irgendeine gerechte Leere der Energie oder der Masse gekommen sein.

Es gibt nur zwei realistische Möglichkeiten, entweder das Universum hat alle Weisen bestand mit Material und Energie ohne eine Mitte oder Rand oder dort ist ein Absolutanfang (Material, Energie, Zeit und Volumen). Wir müssen an den anfangenpunkt tatsächlich gelangen, bevor wir alle mögliche anderen Möglichkeiten weiter setzen können. Der Theorie, die bis jetzt dargestellt wird, gehen umher, diese Frage aber beantworten nicht die Frage.

Ich habe nicht Formeln oder Theorien verwendet, die schwierig sind. Jeder kann, Icarus5 in der einfachen Logik verstehen also hat nicht Angst, an zu lesen"


about the that area-->can change state-->till now we are knowing well that mater can change state by -temperature-->and cleam more-->why not area will change state-->to understand area-think of area-point in space-without anythink at all-it can shrink or expand -->this only same of the sign for the change of state in low level-->think as water before they are boiling-the still
liquid-->but they start the process of coming to gas-when they are coming near the right temperature-->yes-i am tring to use more english-because i was long time didnt speaking english-->till before 9 month.
i hop i will be better-soon.

cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
icarus5-com

Dude, I speak German and English. None of what you are saying makes any sense.

Babelfish works well for simple sentences.
The sentences you are using are not simple.
Try to express yourself in simple sentences.


באבאלפיש עובד טוב למשפטים פשוטים.
המשפטים שאתה משתמש בלא פשוטים.
נסה לבטא את עצמך במשפטים פשוטים.

Babelfish doesn't translate Hebrew.

How did you manage the German translation?
 

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